Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

ronib

Whitewavemark2

Oh I see poor Michael Gove has been “mobbed” yet again.

I simply can’t understand how he always manages to end up in these sort of incidents. I really think these marches etc need to be better advertised so that he can avoid them like other people successfully do.

Www2 why did Michael Gove not use his ministerial car yesterday? Or as levelling up Sec has he decided to forgo this perk of the job?
Or was he sending a message to Sunak and Braverman as part of The Movement? Am thinking aspects of government are increasingly bizarre.

Your guess is as good as mine. He does this so frequently though. One would almost think it was deliberate🙂

To much false information put out by the right wing press and stirred up on social media
The British Transport Police criticised “misleading” information in the media, and said there was no evidence of poppy sellers being targeted. The Royal British Legion said there was no shortage of poppy sellers, with numbers up on last year, and poppy sales at all mainline stations

I was very impressed with Yvette Coopers's proportionality, although not at all impressed with the Sky interviewer. Every time I see him I am convinced he thinks it's more about him than his guest.

My thanks to the police for managing, and continuing to manage the two difficult situations, one made much worse by a weak PM and a completely rogue Home Secretary. My bias, of course but if war is the failure of politics, the problems at the Senataph yesterday certainly showed the failure of the governing party.

Do you mean the woman with the swastika Whitewave, what a charmer she seemed to be, driven by her own self righteousness it seemed. But am sure it was a 'peaceful' swastika.

So these are some things I consider far right and which I dont want to be associated with
Swastikas
Chants of kill the Jews
Hitler had the right idea statements.
Now my definition of far right hasnt changed. Perhaps I am behind the times.

I didn’t watch the news yesterday at all, I didn’t want to see the reporting of either march. I knew Tommy Robinson’s lot would be troublemaking, and I didn’t want to see any more anti semitic posters or placards.
I did watch the Festival of Remembrance which moving and dignified. The music was lovely, especially Alfie Boe singing Bring Him Home.

Galaxy

So these are some things I consider far right and which I dont want to be associated with
Swastikas
Chants of kill the Jews
Hitler had the right idea statements.
Now my definition of far right hasnt changed. Perhaps I am behind the times.

Well I must be too Galaxy. These are exactly the things that I consider far right too.

15Galaxy
So these are some things I consider far right and which I dont want to be associated with
Swastikas
Chants of kill the Jews
Hitler had the right idea statements.
Now my definition of far right hasnt changed. Perhaps I am behind the times.

Err I think you mean things that are associated with the Pro Palestine extremists, I never saw any footage of so called far right supporters displaying any banners only carrying the St George Cross Flag

That is not a definition Galaxy. It's a list of provocative and illegal acts and people should be appropriately charged if they associate themselves with these acts.

What I would like clarified is the percentage of those who joined the event at the Senataph who broke the law, and the percentage of those in the march who broke the law.

This is not a comparison of like with like.

Yes that was my point nicenanny.

They are a list of things I associate with the far right. Are you saying they are not symbols and chants used by the far right.

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The disgusting banners on the Pro Palestine March carried by their extremists (Hamas)

Oh that's good just found out swastika woman was a member of a CLP but left when Starmer became leader.

09:34Galaxy

Sorry Galaxy misinterpreted your post 👍

Oreo

Take it up with the BBC and Sky News.
It’s not Orwellian at all, it’s simply easier for the news to say counter protesters as they don’t know the back story behind everyone taking part in the protest.Most will be EDL or football thugs but perhaps a few others as well.
They were protesting as they didn’t like the pro Palestine marchers doing this on the 11/11.

Of course it's Orwellian. It's a misuse of language.

The right wing thugs weren't protesting' about anything. A 'counter protest' would, logically, have been a pro Israel, or a 'pro war' demonstration.

Suella's army were doing neither.

Hamas-style headbands were also worn by some protesters. Many demonstrators chanted “From the River to the Sea”. The controversial phrase has been used by Palestinian nationalists and terror groups to assert territorial claims of an independent Palestinian state.

In one particularly disturbing clip, male demonstrators were seen shouting “Khayber Khayber ya yaud jadish al Mohammed sauf yaud” through a megaphone.

The anti-Semitic chant, which references a seventh-century battle in which Jewish people were massacred by a Muslim army, translates as: “Khaybar Khaybar, O Jews, Muhammad’s army will return.”
(The Telegraph Newspaper today)

I am sometimes quite obscure Nicenanny, it's me not you

growstuff

DrWatson

Yes FrogLady, doubtless you mean well. But - do you actually think any of the Iranian leaders, Hamas, or the Israel Govt gives a jot for any such demo, here, in America, Paris, or anywhere? What exactly are you hoping to achieve with any such march, other than making yourself feel slightly better?

Why shouldn't she want to make herself feel better?

Why do you post what you do? Does it make you feel better?

growstuff why do you post what you do, does it make you feel better?
We all post what we think about a certain subject being discussed.
Sounds to me as if you want to close down another poster.

Nicenanny all you list are now acceptable by the police and the far left .

There are various things that I would like to comment upon. Firstly I have lived under two dictatorships in Portugal and Syria and am very well aware of what it means to be in a democratic society. Part of being a democracy is that whilst we may not like what people say or do we do not deny peaceful protest even if we do not agree with it. Then the irony that does not seem to be picked up is that the wars have been fought so that we DO have the right to speak up and stand up for our beliefs. Therefore , to me, the fact that people can march and state their views on the terrible situation in the middle east is EXACTLY what WW2 was fought for. This government has done its best to divide and conquer, to incite discontent between different groups in society and doing their best to put us all against each other. They hope that whilst we are doing this we will not be noticing the huge increase in food banks, homelessness etc that they are responsible for. As for a home secretary who sees tents on roads as something to clear away and hide elsewhere I am totally ashamed that anyone in the world would think that I support her in any way. . I am writing this on the sunday and as we have seen the real problems were not the people on the marches but the far right who sought to use any possible way of causing harm and upset to others. Wonder why they dont wear black or brownshirts ? They are no different to the nazi thugs from the war. We must keep the freedoms that are so important to us and be entitled to follow our consciences. I stood quietly for the two minute silence as I saw many other people do, I saw many wearing poppies and others not. We all did what we thought was right and appropriate for that time and the greater majority of people also respected that moment. To let thugs and rags of papers and a home secretary who is a disgrace to the role take over and be allowed to remove our democratic rights in the guise of controlling us is something that we all should be prepared to fight against at all costs. I have always voted from the age I was allowed to do so, and feel that everyone should do so, especially women of course, when you know what women suffered to get the vote. That is the way we get to show the government what we think of their actions and make sure that we are not stripped of our rights We must make sure that when elections come round that the behaviour and attitude of all the various groups are remembered and that we vote accordingly.

MaizieD

Oreo

Take it up with the BBC and Sky News.
It’s not Orwellian at all, it’s simply easier for the news to say counter protesters as they don’t know the back story behind everyone taking part in the protest.Most will be EDL or football thugs but perhaps a few others as well.
They were protesting as they didn’t like the pro Palestine marchers doing this on the 11/11.

Of course it's Orwellian. It's a misuse of language.

The right wing thugs weren't protesting' about anything. A 'counter protest' would, logically, have been a pro Israel, or a 'pro war' demonstration.

Suella's army were doing neither.

Email the BBC if you feel so strongly about their use of words.
The right wing thugs were protesting about something, they were protesting about pro Palestinian marches going ahead on that particular day.I don’t like them, you don’t like them but they were there for a reason just as any other protesters were on the day.If you allow one group to be there you have to allow the other.

09:47Anniebach
Nicenanny all you list are now acceptable by the police and the far left

I agree Anniebach and the police in my opinion do treat the left leaning groups differently.

whitewavemark2
Did you see some of the banners carried by the ‘peace’ march?
A snake in the colours of the Israeli flag encircling the world, straight out of the Nazi playbook! Other very offensive banners too, also people masked and with hamas headbands.
Others masked and letting off fireworks towards the police.
I don’t see ‘percentages’ as the important thing, seeing and hearing any is an affront and depressing to see open anti-Semitism alive and well on the streets of my upbringing, London.
I feel the same about the far right thugs demonstrating, in fact they probably have similar views to the others about Jews, it’s hard to tell them apart, as Galaxy says upthread.
What’s the answer to all this? To allow protests to go ahead but with very rigorous policing with real consequences for the thugs on either side, in my view.

I don’t see ‘percentages’ as the important thing, seeing and hearing any is an affront and depressing to see open anti-Semitism alive and well on the streets of my upbringing, London.

1) Percentages are a good guide to the prevalence of ideas/attitudes in a given group.

2) I have found anti-semitism inexplicable all my life, given the holocaust, but I deplore any sort of prejudice and anti-islam seems to have taken an equal hold in the UK. at the moment. I'm not favouring one as being more despicable than the other.

Those banners are terrible Nicenanny. I hope those who carried them can be identified and charged. Unfortunately on previous marches people carrying anti semitic placards have covered their faces completely apart from the eyes, which makes it difficult to identify them. Perhaps they should have been arrested on the spot and I wonder why they weren’t.