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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

maddyone Wed 15-Nov-23 16:33:07

I better start eating rosemary then, it might improve my memory grin

I know Anzac Day is a different day from our 11/11 day of remembrance, but do you know when it is Callistemon?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 15-Nov-23 16:41:09

ANZAC Day is 25th April

maddyone Wed 15-Nov-23 16:51:31

Thank you GrannyGravy.

Callistemon21 Wed 15-Nov-23 20:09:55

GrannyGravy13

ANZAC Day is 25th April

Thanks GrannyGravy

Yes, 25th April.
Many places in the UK commemorate this day too and hold a service as British servicemen were lost at Gallipoli too.

Callistemon21 Wed 15-Nov-23 20:11:40

A poppy on Remembrance Day and Remembrance Sunday and a spring of rosemary on Gallipoli (Anzac) Day.

Namsnanny Thu 16-Nov-23 13:59:32

I have two very prolific Rosemary bushes, so I shall definitely be wearing some on the 25th April now I know.
(*maddyone*I've just started taking rosemary tincture for memory, not sure if it works yet, but I fond rosemary oil lovely for my hair).

Callistemon21 Thu 16-Nov-23 15:09:43

I used to use a rosemary shampoo many years ago from a shop called Heath and Heather, it did make my hair shiny I remember.
Perhaps I should make some rosemary tea as a hair rinse

GrannyGravy13 Thu 16-Nov-23 15:13:17

Maybe the pro-Palestinian thugs climbing over one of our London War Memorials last night should have a good dose of Rosemary tea, it might jog their memory to have some respect.

Callistemon21 Thu 16-Nov-23 16:09:42

I'll make him some πŸ™‚

Although, to have a memory to jog, he has to have a brain to start with.

maddyone Thu 16-Nov-23 18:11:57

Callistemon21

I'll make him some πŸ™‚

Although, to have a memory to jog, he has to have a brain to start with.

Yes indeed.
And to know and understand some history.
GCSE History, such as my children took, included history in the twentieth century, which of course included WW2 and the Holocaust. It seems many of the marchers are completely ignorant of this aspect of the last century.

Callistemon21 Thu 16-Nov-23 19:41:31

And the fact that so many Muslim men and some women gave their lives to fight the Nazis in WW2.

Namsnanny Fri 17-Nov-23 02:48:36

The 13 Waffen Division of the SS Nazi party comprised of Croatian Muslim.
War is often complicated.

DrWatson Fri 17-Nov-23 03:45:58

This to Fleurpepper, re that disgraceful nonsense about the end of WW2. Firstly, Germany initiated the bombing of civilians, in Poland and Holland, and went on to the Blitz here. They can have no complaints about any bombing they suffered anywhere. This country was exhausted by the end of WW2, they had to do whatever they could to get the war over (my father was in various campaigns, middle east, Crete, and Italy).

In the Far East, Japans's forces had taken extreme efforts to winkle them out of jungle and island strongholds, the whole area had suffered enough, and the atomic bombs were needed to shorten a war that could have extended for many months. The Japanese leadership were offered chances to surrender -- and very oddly, despite your claims that defeat was a certainty, they chose more than once NOT to surrender. How very good of you to decide that the families of other people should have suffered bereavements to quell that evil whilst easing your conscience?

The nearly 80 years since the end of that war has seen assorted authors writing all sorts of twaddle to try and rewrite history, and more importantly get a payday. There's no need for you to worsen their already regrettable efforts.

maddyone Fri 17-Nov-23 11:25:27

DrWatson

πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

Iam64 Fri 17-Nov-23 11:30:59

Dr Watson, thank you

Your father served in the same places as mine.

merlotgran Fri 17-Nov-23 11:46:09

Well said, Dr Watson

Dinahmo Fri 17-Nov-23 11:55:05

Namsnanny

I have two very prolific Rosemary bushes, so I shall definitely be wearing some on the 25th April now I know.
(*maddyone*I've just started taking rosemary tincture for memory, not sure if it works yet, but I fond rosemary oil lovely for my hair).

There is a belief that where rosemary bushes thrive the woman wears the trousers in the household!

Callistemon21 Fri 17-Nov-23 20:03:02

Thank you DrWatson

Attempts to rewrite history are often twaddle!

Callistemon21 Fri 17-Nov-23 20:04:35

Dinahmo

Namsnanny

I have two very prolific Rosemary bushes, so I shall definitely be wearing some on the 25th April now I know.
(*maddyone*I've just started taking rosemary tincture for memory, not sure if it works yet, but I fond rosemary oil lovely for my hair).

There is a belief that where rosemary bushes thrive the woman wears the trousers in the household!

😁
Yes, I've heard that too but mine were struggling in pots for a long time until DH planted them in the garden bed.

Motto? Never try to contain a woman?

Namsnanny Mon 20-Nov-23 23:23:58

Rosemary was/is associated with Aphrodite, and bushes were the preferred shrub to hang your wet washing on in Greek and Roman times.
They thought the scent helped prevent fleas etc., but the flowers were apt to stain the damp cloth blue. This was taken as an aid to male fertility, so the woman who put her husbands clothes on the bush, was controlling his 'capability' to produce a child. Hence she was in charge.

Namsnanny Mon 20-Nov-23 23:31:37

taken = believed by the women of the time