Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

MaizieD the statue was badly damaged when it was dragged from its plinth along the cobbled street before being pushed into the dock.

So again it will be fine if Tommy and his friends do that?

25Avalon

Pulling a statue down and smashing it when it is not your property is criminal damage.

How about police vehicles set on fire, police injured, and trapped in their police station. Was that not violent?

It wasn't 'smashed'. How people like to exaggerate.

It was tipped into the river.

And it didn't seem to be anyone's 'property'.

Sunak reflects the opinion of the majority who are dubious about allowing the Pro Palestinian and ANTI JEWISH people march to go ahead. Some posters here know very little about the goings on in places near my home in Golders Green, Hendon etc where many Jewish people live and have businesses. I have enjoyed shopping and eating there but there have been attacks on shops and Jewish people are scared. Jewish schools need a security presence and some have remained closed. The chants at the marches are sometimes Antisemitic and this is completely unacceptable. I cannot support banning the marches because I believe in free speech, but I am appalled that they cannot postpone their marches over this weekend. I see Jeremy Corbyn will be in attendance...Ugh! I think many people did not realise how many Muslim people now live in the UK. They are British but sometimes do not agree with Western Democratic values. Imagine what happens in Iran when women gather to protest about wearing the hijab. As a feminist I disagree with the hold Muslim men have over women in their families. I have gay friends and family members and Muslim attitudes towards gays appall me, so I realise I am biased. I think that is partly due to the films of concentration camps we were shown as children, I have never forgotten the horror shown in those films and visiting Auschwich (sp) and other shocking camps I can never forget and it colours my opinion. Please understand my feelings!

Thank you, I didn’t know of that . Police are playing it safe this time,

Anniebach

When were police vehicles set on fire ?

Two years ago in the Bristol protests which turned into rioting. Police were inside the vehicle at the time.
The perpetrator was convicted and sent to prison.

When were police vehicles set on fire ?

Pulling a statue down and smashing it when it is not your property is criminal damage.

How about police vehicles set on fire, police injured, and trapped in their police station. Was that not violent?

And by that logic it will be absolutely fine if Tommy and his friends go around smashing statues (makes a change from women I suppose).

Right so we are clear, behaviour on marches is judged by how you feel about the cause. That's not freedom of speech or freedom to protest.
There arent many things I believe in more than a womans right to choose however I feel physically il about some of the behaviour exhibited by the police to pro life supporters.

25Avalon

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maddyone

But the BLM protests weren’t entirely peaceful at all. I saw the news coverage as did most posters, and I’m afraid it’s simply not true that they were entirely peaceful.
It obviously it suits the police and others to claim that they were peaceful, but the evidence on our screens showed otherwise.
I really dislike the rewriting of history that happens regularly nowadays.

But that is what was reported and not challenged at the covid enquiry.

So as far as I can see that is the truth.

So it’s peaceful to drag a statue down, defile it and dump it in the river as happened in Bristol where the police were so weak and ineffective. Interestingly one of the organisers who raised BLM funds has been found guilty and sent to prison for 2 years for stealing those funds for her own personal use.

It didn't cause any fighting or injury. Seems peaceful to me.

Defiled the statue? Are statues sacred artefacts? Even ones that are an insult to many of the population and had been the subject of requests to remove it for years and years?

How do you feel about the smashing of statues such as communist leaders in former communist countries, or Saddam Hussein?

Does a fairy die every time a statue is defiled?

maddyone
Thought I'd share this about the "poppy-seller"

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maddyone

But the BLM protests weren’t entirely peaceful at all. I saw the news coverage as did most posters, and I’m afraid it’s simply not true that they were entirely peaceful.
It obviously it suits the police and others to claim that they were peaceful, but the evidence on our screens showed otherwise.
I really dislike the rewriting of history that happens regularly nowadays.

But that is what was reported and not challenged at the covid enquiry.

So as far as I can see that is the truth.

So it’s peaceful to drag a statue down, defile it and dump it in the river as happened in Bristol where the police were so weak and ineffective. Interestingly one of the organisers who raised BLM funds has been found guilty and sent to prison for 2 years for stealing those funds for her own personal use.

Anniebach

The police ‘have no reason to believe’

The police in Edinburgh, where one of the alleged assaults on a poppy seller took place,have viewed the cctv records (plenty of them at a main line station) and have found no reason to believe that an assault took place.

What more do you want?

You dont get to decide which march goes ahead, they all go ahead or none.

maddyone

But the BLM protests weren’t entirely peaceful at all. I saw the news coverage as did most posters, and I’m afraid it’s simply not true that they were entirely peaceful.
It obviously it suits the police and others to claim that they were peaceful, but the evidence on our screens showed otherwise.
I really dislike the rewriting of history that happens regularly nowadays.

But that is what was reported and not challenged at the covid enquiry.

So as far as I can see that is the truth.

Sunak is a weak PM. I don’t know what he’ll decide re SB, but whatever he decides won’t make him any stronger.

But the BLM protests weren’t entirely peaceful at all. I saw the news coverage as did most posters, and I’m afraid it’s simply not true that they were entirely peaceful.
It obviously it suits the police and others to claim that they were peaceful, but the evidence on our screens showed otherwise.
I really dislike the rewriting of history that happens regularly nowadays.

Sunak is between the proverbial and a hard place. Keep Braverman and look totally weak. Sack her and she can take pot shots from the sidelines. She only got the job after she was sacked first time around to keep her quiet.

This morning at the covid enquiry, a senior police chief said that the BLM protests were entirely peaceful, so Bravermans statement in the Times is wrong and lying.

Braverman is putting the police in harms way, because her rhetoric is encouraging the hooligans, Tommy Robinson’s coterie etc to go to London this weekend. A very small number but with the potential to cause absolute mayhem.

Iam64 Braverman seems heaven sent , suddenly any troubles will be laid at her door.

I believe the police weighed up - who will cause the most trouble for us,

Annie lots of posters raised concerns about the Met
I trust the commissioner on this more than Braverman

Ilovecheese

Stella Braverman and the Daily Mail are deliberately inflaming tensions and helping the Tommy Robinson types to find a justification for starting trouble at a march advocating peace.
She will then have an excuse to further remove any right to protest against anything that the Government does.
She is using Armastice day to further her own agenda.

Spot on..! Robinson and his mates will be the ones causing trouble, attacking people etc.

So how weak is Sunak? Let’s wait and see.

So Bravermans article was not signed off by number 10 - they had sight of the document, but asked for changes which she never undertook.

She is running amok.