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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 07:07:01

Galaxy no other high profile politician felt the need to go out for a walk in the middle of a huge demonstration.
The left wing press is loudly against SB so best discount anything written there too.

Galaxy Mon 13-Nov-23 06:58:23

The poll I saw was 78% in support of braverman, now polls can be unreliable but it's very dangerous to think that the louder voices in the media etc reflect public opinion. As has been shown quite comprehensively in recent years it is often not the case.
Oh and politicians should be able to walk wherever they like.

ronib Mon 13-Nov-23 06:53:21

Maizie D snap poll in DT around three quarters of survey in favour of SB. Conservative Home article by Paul Goodman - supporting SB.
Nadine Dorries wrote wondering if Gove was drunk when he ventured out to Victoria station on Saturday - so why would Gove inflame tensions by walking out? He’s a controversial figure and has shown yet more poor judgment. Or was he desperate to have the photo opportunity?

nanna8 Mon 13-Nov-23 06:42:07

My Jewish friend tells me that whatever Hamas does to the Israelis they will return threefold because that is how they will stop them. He is very sure of this. Frightening and doesn't bode well for a ceasefire.

Galaxy Mon 13-Nov-23 05:58:13

There has just been a large March in France against antisemitism attented by French politicians, Germany have announced restrictions on pro Hamas marches.

vegansrock Mon 13-Nov-23 05:25:52

I’m not proud of the flag waving, ugly tattooed thugs out for a punch up with the police (why?)

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 05:08:54

Judging by the huge marches in Europe, USA and elsewhere, support for a ceasefire is growing exponentially. Israel, is loosing support.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 04:13:02

PS they are Jewish.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 04:12:29

Rowantree

DaisyAnneReturns

If anyone had attended anything and wanted us to know, I'm sure'they would have told us Rowantree.

Well, I did.
At no time did I feel in any way unsafe or threatened. The march was full of warmth, inclusivity, friendship and motivation.
What better way to honour Armistice Day than by calling for one?

I was part of the Jewish group.

👍👍👍.

Yes my friends daughter and son went. They came home elated at the experience and said like you the inclusivity of the it.

Rowantree Mon 13-Nov-23 00:30:20

Anniebach

And thanks to Corbyn and his disciples the far left associated with antisemitism

Wrongly, mostly.
To some, criticism of Israel is the same thing as antisemitism.
Jews have been suspended from the Labour party for 'antisemitism'.

Rowantree Mon 13-Nov-23 00:06:43

DaisyAnneReturns

If anyone had attended anything and wanted us to know, I'm sure'they would have told us Rowantree.

Well, I did.
At no time did I feel in any way unsafe or threatened. The march was full of warmth, inclusivity, friendship and motivation.
What better way to honour Armistice Day than by calling for one?

I was part of the Jewish group.

DaisyAnneReturns Sun 12-Nov-23 23:25:39

If anyone had attended anything and wanted us to know, I'm sure'they would have told us Rowantree.

MaizieD Sun 12-Nov-23 23:24:50

ronib

Dinahmo I don’t find it hard to believe that the silent majority support Suella Braverman - and I don’t think that she will be ousted. Gove needs to go.

I find it very hard to believe.

Where is the evidence to support this assertion?

Rowantree Sun 12-Nov-23 23:20:24

So did anyone here attend the anti-war demonstration, then?

DaisyAnneReturns Sun 12-Nov-23 22:31:10

According to Dan Hodges in the Mail on Sunday, Suella Braverman is urging Sunak to call a snap election if the Supreme Court riles against the Rwanda plan next Wednesday, and to make that election all about the small boats issue.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbE30hCTdEE

Callistemon21 Sun 12-Nov-23 21:05:19

I think most of us know all about St George but thank you anyway

😁

foxie48 Sun 12-Nov-23 20:47:57

Thugs and bigots don't want to be informed, they just want to spout their vile opinions and be told they are right in what they believe.

Fleurpepper Sun 12-Nov-23 20:43:31

Yes, I am sure the EDL thugs would find it hard to believe St George was from Palestine, and is the Patron of so many countries and regions, Valencia, Catalonia, the Balearics, Malta, Sicily and Sardinia, the origins of the veneration of St. George go back to their shared history as territories under the Crown of Aragon, thereby sharing the same legend.

And that he is revered in Islam.

Dinahmo Sun 12-Nov-23 18:58:29

Can someone please explain why the cross of St George is so important? He wasn't from the British Isles; his origins aren't certain. It is believed that he came from Cappadocia. He was believed to be a Roman soldier, a Christian and was beheaded for refusing to recant his Christian faith. He was buried, apparently, at Lydda, (or Lod) in Israel.

George is the patron state of a number of countries and regions, not just England.

ronib Sun 12-Nov-23 18:48:23

Dinahmo I don’t find it hard to believe that the silent majority support Suella Braverman - and I don’t think that she will be ousted. Gove needs to go.

Dinahmo Sun 12-Nov-23 18:47:55

It's no wonder that Jewish people living in the UK should be worried many people, including several on here conflate antisemitism with anti Zionism. There is a big difference.

Dinahmo Sun 12-Nov-23 18:34:11

madeleine45 mentioned the Portuguese dictatorship which reminded me of a visit to Lisbon a few years ago - precovid. It transpired that we were there on the anniversary of the Carnation Revolution which took place on 25 April 1974.

The taxi driver that took us to the airport asked us if we knew about the revolution, which we did. He told us about his mother, a seamstress who, with her children got on a bus one day to find the fares had increased. She complained about this - everything was going up in price apart from her wages. A secret service man was on the bus and he told the driver stop and threw everyone of the bus, apart from the seamstress. The bus drove to the secret service HQ where she was tortured, including having her nails pulled out. Whilst the tax driver was telling us this, he was in tears. He also bemoaned the fact that young people didn't care about the revolution and were, in fact, becoming to lean towards the right.

These days I watch Trevor Phillips on Sunday mornings on Sky. Prior to that I watch David Bull on Talk TV, out of interest. This morning was particularly bad with his co presenter, Dr Renee.... The latter was completely supportive of Braverman whom, she said, was speaking for the millions of British - the silent majority.

I find this difficult to believe and I hope that it is not the case.

foxie48 Sun 12-Nov-23 18:33:15

lemsip

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12739659/Met-Police-hunt-hate-crime-suspects-pro-Palestine-march.html

read for yourselves if you want

If you only look at one media report you are likely to get a very biased account. Out of interest I'd already looked at the DM, Independent, Telegraph, Guardian and Washington Post + of course the BBC. What pictures you get shown, the order of the report and the emphasis it puts on various aspects of the event. I'm not surprised we live in a somewhat polarised society if anyone only reads a right wing or a left wing paper, all they get is confirmation of what they already think! It doesn't cost much to get online access to publications that are behind a pay wall. Don't know if this link will work but I think the account is pretty factual.
www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/11/britain-israel-palestinian-protest-cenotaph/56474ca4-8083-11ee-b5cc-66c30a3bbb91_story.html

Oreo Sun 12-Nov-23 18:30:27

I don’t go in for name calling Fleurpepper and think that we all need to be careful and not fall for any hamas propaganda.
We can’t believe so much that goes around on SM these days either, and tho you believe what you quote to be true, I reserve judgement.

Fleurpepper Sun 12-Nov-23 18:22:39

Why not call me a liar and be done with it, Oreo.