Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?
* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]
Galaxy
I am left of centre granny, none of this nonsense aligns with my values. And to be fair my values havent changed.
I have no idea where my politics lay at the moment.
Just fed up with not feeling safe enough to go into my capital city on a weekend. Particularly the Lord Mayors Show this Saturday which I first visited as a four year old with my Grandpa.
The ho
GrannyGravy13
Galaxy
I am left of centre granny, none of this nonsense aligns with my values. And to be fair my values havent changed.
I have no idea where my politics lay at the moment.
Just fed up with not feeling safe enough to go into my capital city on a weekend. Particularly the Lord Mayors Show this Saturday which I first visited as a four year old with my Grandpa.
The ho
Gg13.....I sympathize, and don't quite understand why most don't see clearly why our streets unsafe, and who might be causing it? How is it possible to ignore the reality of what's happening?
Well, the police seem to be doing exactly that, so maybe my question is redundant?
25Avalon
If you don’t believe me MaisieD go down M Shed in Bristol and ask to see it.
It's been shoved into the store, I think!
It appears some of the rentacrowd don’t even know what they’re protesting about 🤦🏼♀️
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729893/students-protest-palestinians-not-seen-proof-hamas-invasion-israel-october.html
I don't doubt it.
They've probably not heard of any 20th century history either.
There are always rights and wrongs on both sides but the anti-Jewish propaganda which is evident now is quite frightening and reminiscent of the 1930s - which happened in this country too, lest we forget.
I think I was a bit dismissive a month or so ago when I read that a couple of Jewish schools in North London were closing their doors as a precaution. It made them sound as though they were wanting to come across as victims themselves. Well since then, I have totally changed my mind, and that is due to the escalating aggression and growing hate comments directed at innocent people who are afraid to go about their daily lives.
The more hostile chanting that goes on about Jewish people, the more we will need to protect them, though sadly I don't think they will ever feel completely safe.
the anti-Jewish propaganda which is evident now is quite frightening
I agree. It’s very frightening. I feel so sorry for Jewish people, they really must be terrified.
It’s so distressing
Several regions in France banned pro Palestinian marches last weekend, and have banned them for this weekend.
There reasons, they may insight violence due to their chants and banners.
GrannyGravy13
Galaxy
I am left of centre granny, none of this nonsense aligns with my values. And to be fair my values havent changed.
I have no idea where my politics lay at the moment.
Just fed up with not feeling safe enough to go into my capital city on a weekend. Particularly the Lord Mayors Show this Saturday which I first visited as a four year old with my Grandpa.
The ho
You know what comes after The Lord Mayors Show?Well that now comes before it, during it and after it! Londoners will know what I mean.
GrannyGravy13
Several regions in France banned pro Palestinian marches last weekend, and have banned them for this weekend.
There reasons, they may insight violence due to their chants and banners.
Makes sense, wish there was more of it on this side of the Channel.
It isn’t just a ‘pro Palestine march is it, it contains a lot of hate for Israel and that morphs into any Jewish people by connection.I feel really uneasy seeing this on British streets.
I think anti semitism is alive and well and this situation just adds fuel to the fire.
But why
maddyone
^the poppy sellers were spoken to by the police - there was no case to answer^
What does this mean? They were attacked!
If you mean the poppy seller in Edinburgh, he lied. Not only that, but he was wearing a Paras beret, despite not having been a Para. He's been spotted wearing other headgear as well.
The police studied the CCTV and he wasn't attacked by anyone.
Reading this made me feel queasy:
A freelance photographer Hassan Esleaiah, (judging by the photos, one of a handful), was sent to Gaza, seemingly just before 7/11.
Apparently with prior knowledge, to cover the massacre, and worked with Hamas to gather video and still photographs, which were later sold to and used by CNN New York Times etc.
There is a photo of Hassan Esleaiah being given a kiss on the cheek by Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar.
Other professional photographers were there also.
What does this mean?
Did they know to go to Gaza on that particular day?
Were they just 'lucky'? (sorry, no disrespect to the murdered and kidnapped men women and children)
How are they able to be so close with members of Hamas?
If they knew what was about to take place, why didn't they, in all good conscience, alert someone?
CNN etc have denied knowing the attack was going to happen and embedding a photographer with Hamas, especially for the purpose of collecting verifiable photos.
They have been accused of virtually aiding and abetting Hamas.
He was not sent. He is freelance.
The photo is many years old by the way.
I think you need a new thread Namsnanny but a quick Google will give you more info.
www.washingtonpost.com/style/media/2023/11/09/cnn-ap-photographer-hamas/
What does the word 'armistice' mean?
Right.
What better time to go ahead with the protest, which asks for a ceasefire?
To equate this with antisemitism is rubbish. Critiquing Israel's policy of persecution towards the Palestinians is not antisemitic, though some would have us believe it is.
I speak as a half Jew whose father, who died last year aged 95 and was himself a Jewish refugee, always supported Palestinian rights and spoke out against Israel's foreign policy.
I, and my Jewish husband will be on the march on Saturday.
Rowantree
What does the word 'armistice' mean?
Right.
What better time to go ahead with the protest, which asks for a ceasefire?
To equate this with antisemitism is rubbish. Critiquing Israel's policy of persecution towards the Palestinians is not antisemitic, though some would have us believe it is.
I speak as a half Jew whose father, who died last year aged 95 and was himself a Jewish refugee, always supported Palestinian rights and spoke out against Israel's foreign policy.
I, and my Jewish husband will be on the march on Saturday.
Bring if Jewish heritage are you happy to be on a march alongside people carrying posters showing the Star of David in a rubbish bin accompanied by the slogan clean up the word ?
Bring should be Being
Can you ask?
Not only woul I not be happy, I would call it out. Certainly that particular message is inflammatory and extremely dubious.
In an ideal world the organisers should vet any such extreme messages because they do us no favours.
That is still not an argument to ban the march.
Rowantree
Can you ask?
Not only woul I not be happy, I would call it out. Certainly that particular message is inflammatory and extremely dubious.
In an ideal world the organisers should vet any such extreme messages because they do us no favours.
That is still not an argument to ban the march.
Therein lies the problem, the organisers do not vet the people on the marches, nor do the ban certain flags, banners or chants.
Everyone knows the meaning behind From the River to the sea , calls for Jihad and Infitada (sp)
If the marches are so innocent why do so many of the men cover their faces? I understand if the women are covering their faces for religious reasons, but the men…
I haven’t seen anyone at the vigils for the hostages held by Hamas with their faces covered.
Thank you NotSpaghetti, That was a very interesting article about the Cenotaph, I had no idea there was so much dissent about it at the time.
No. I didn't know either, buffyfly9.
It was the radio programme The Moral Maze that drew my attention to it.
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