Tories tearing themselves apart - how long to a GE!

The headline figure of 4% implies that only the very wealthy are paying IHT - in fact the very wealthy are those least likely to have to pay
Very true. They are in a position to be able to pay financial advisers to set up trusts and avoid IHT, as we have seen in many notable cases including Labour politicians.
Does that prove it is the most unpopular tax?

I’m sure you are aware that there are legitimate ways of passing on an estate without paying IHT - there are a number of exemptions such as a spouse or charity inheriting, or the estate containing business assets or farmland. Those are important exemptions, which obviously significantly reduce the number of taxable estates. The headline figure of 4% implies that only the very wealthy are paying IHT - in fact the very wealthy are those least likely to have to pay.

Freya5

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

A short note on the inception of the ECHR:

From 7 to 10 May 1948, politicians including Winston Churchill, François Mitterrand, and Konrad Adenauer; civil society representatives; academics; business leaders; trade unionists; and religious leaders convened the Congress of Europe in The Hague. At the end of the Congress, a declaration and following pledge to create the convention was issued. The second and third articles of the pledge state: "We desire a Charter of Human Rights guaranteeing liberty of thought, assembly and expression as well as right to form a political opposition. We desire a Court of Justice with adequate sanctions for the implementation of this Charter."[9]

And the ECJ

The European Court of Justice (ECJ), formally just the Court of Justice (French: Cour de Justice), is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union, it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its uniform application across all EU member states under Article 263 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU).[2]

The Court was established in 1952, and is based in Luxembourg. It is composed of one judge per member state – currently 27 – although it normally hears cases in panels of three, five or fifteen judges.[3] The Court has been led by president Koen Lenaerts since 2015

So, Freya5 I think you are a little bit wrong!

Germanshepherdsmum

"In the tax year 2020 to 2021, 3.73% of UK deaths resulted in an Inheritance Tax (IHT) charge, decreasing by 0.03 percentage points since the tax year 2019 to 2020."

The above quote is from Gov.uk website. Have I misunderstood this ? This is a genuine polite enquiry, not intended to be confrontational. I understand the difference between those leaving "an estate (something of value) and those not doing so but wouldn't that mean those paying inheritance tax would be even less than 4% of the population? Happy to be set straight on my understanding of this.

That isn’t the case in my family, nor will it be on my death. But I’m not a believer in redistribution of wealth other than by choice.

While only a small percentage of people pay inheritance tax, new data from economic research group, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), says the sums could be significant to some: if all non-spousal inheritances transferred next year were equally shared between all 25 years olds, each would receive around £120,000.
(https://news.sky.com/story/inheritance-tax-whos-paying-it-how-much-is-it-generating-and-is-it-just-the-rich-who-benefit-from-its-abolition-12969642)

Being wealthy simply because your parents were is taking us back centuries GSM and shows signs of eugenic thinking.

Freya5

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

I think you have a severe problem with facts Fraya.

4% of people dying if you like. Forecast to almost double in the next ten years. Naturally those whose estates will not attract IHT (and that is particularly the case outside the south east, where property values are high) are not in favour of anyone else escaping the tax.

Germanshepherdsmum

4% of estates, not 4% of the population.

Which makes it an even smaller proportion of the population.

Freya5

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

I think that you will find that it was talking about the barons and landowners , not the serfs of which I assume most of us are.

4% of estates, not 4% of the population.

Galaxy

Yes Carson I dont totally agree with him. I am not sure the centre of which I am part is cohesive enough and has a clear enough message.

I understand what you’re saying, I guess it depends if old party loyalties can be smashed apart, because there are a lot of people who are mildly centre right or centre left, but whether they could be persuaded that a new centre party would suit them is a moot point.

Casdon

Galaxy

To be honest I am not sure that what the left (whether that's centre left or whatever) think of Cameron coming back has a great deal of significance. We are not their target voters. The Tories will lose the next election and labour will be in power. It is what happens after that that is important. The Tories tend to have a few years of disastrous infighting after a defeat. Personally I would be watching the increase of the reform party vote and wondering what that means.

I don’t know if you watched the link above from Andrew Marr Galaxy, but that was part of his supposition too, although he saw a potential reshaping of politics across the board in the UK, with a larger central ground and a marginalised and separate right wing party.

I would be very surprised to see a separate right wing party because the extremists have a far greater influence as part the Tory party. Not so much now with a large majority but for Cameron and May with smaller majorities they caused a great deal of trouble.

I agree that what Starmer has done has been nothing short of astonishing. I think I would quite like to see a bit more of the 'character' that made it possible, although perhaps we are seeing that in the current situation.

There was an in depth interview with Keir Starmer on The News Agents podcast last night, he was interviewed by Lewis Goodall. I have recently changed my view of him. His transformation of the Labour party over a short period has been astonishing. Internal divisions are an ongoing issue within every political party and always have been. The conservatives were divided over EU membership for years and the issue brought down several PMs. Now that is done and dusted (except for the mess is has created) the Conservatives are laid bare with no sense of direction or vision for the future. This is bad enough but there is no compassion or aspiration either except to protect the wealth of the already wealthy. Jeremy Hunt is apparently considering reducing inheritance tax, this currently affects 4% of the population. Is this really their best offering to win the next election?

In my view the whole set up is total mess! All talk and not much - if any - positive action. It's shameful

Sorry Casdon not Carson

Yes Carson I dont totally agree with him. I am not sure the centre of which I am part is cohesive enough and has a clear enough message.

Actually the key advocate for the European Convention on Human Rights was Winston Churchill, but I don't suppose that would fit your narrative Freya?

Incidentally, it was Churchill (with his foreign-born mother) who thought it would be a good idea if we shared laws and courts with pesky foreigners.

Freya5

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

Eh? Have you checked recently how relevant Magna Carta is to today? It was the result of foreign-born nobles wanting more power. They couldn't give two hoots about the rest of the population.

Galaxy

To be honest I am not sure that what the left (whether that's centre left or whatever) think of Cameron coming back has a great deal of significance. We are not their target voters. The Tories will lose the next election and labour will be in power. It is what happens after that that is important. The Tories tend to have a few years of disastrous infighting after a defeat. Personally I would be watching the increase of the reform party vote and wondering what that means.

I don’t know if you watched the link above from Andrew Marr Galaxy, but that was part of his supposition too, although he saw a potential reshaping of politics across the board in the UK, with a larger central ground and a marginalised and separate right wing party.

To be honest I am not sure that what the left (whether that's centre left or whatever) think of Cameron coming back has a great deal of significance. We are not their target voters. The Tories will lose the next election and labour will be in power. It is what happens after that that is important. The Tories tend to have a few years of disastrous infighting after a defeat. Personally I would be watching the increase of the reform party vote and wondering what that means.

DaisyAnneReturns

However, he has vowed to bring in emergency legislation, "I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights"

He sounds as if he is almost threatening Starmer, Dickens, and the of HoL. I'm not sure the threat if a snap election if he stands in the way of his law changes is going to have much effect on Labour. I don't think Starmer has the power to stop him.

Why is Sunak spending so much money (£140M so far) and government time and suggesting we abolish all Human Rights Laws for all our citizens, to send 200 refugees to Rhowanda?

It's madness.

Our rights were granted us by the Magna Carta. We had them always. We didnt need foreigners to tell us what we already had. It was Blair, with the encouragement of his meddling wife, that signed us up to the foreign courts.

Thank you so much for that Maizie. I can only agree that the shiny surface of Sunak hides very little depth. I would have said there was a little of that about Cameron but he suddenly seems a man of more solid views. Will he out Prime Minister the Prime Minister?

(I'll read the main article later today)