The Supreme Court has ruled the Rwanda deportations are illegal

Mollygo

^ One thing that puzzles me about human rights. If countries are obliged to take care of people who enter the country illegally, why do they not have the same obligation to take care of their own citizens who find themselves homeless?^
Good question, but that doesn’t rouse the same amount of shouting from the populace as what to do with the homeless.

What does human rights legislation actually have to say about housing asylum seekers?

Incidentally, what's illegal about arriving in a country and claiming asylum?

Curtaintwitcher

Honestly...this government has gone about things in totally the wrong way. They should have taken a firm stand on illegal migration right from the start. Instead, they have made them feel welcome.
One thing that puzzles me about human rights. If countries are obliged to take care of people who enter the country illegally, why do they not have the same obligation to take care of their own citizens who find themselves homeless?

1 What form of "firm stand" should the government have taken?

2 How does the government make asylum seekers feel welcome?

Primrose53

Rwanda must be laughing all the way to their Banks! We have paid them MILLIONS AND MILLIONS.

What did I hear at lunchtime Italy are doing a deal with Albania to take loads of their unwanted migrants?

So, up to all countries to deal as they wish with unwanted migrants. Germany and other EU countries looking too.

BlueBelle

Hooray for sense the only people thinking it was a good idea were racists and far right well they’re the same thing really
Now we just need to start treating refugees legal or not as human beings and very often useful human beings
I d happily swap refugees for British child molesters now let’s consider sending them to Rwanda

How about foreign child molesters, rapists and murderers. Some of which have been proven to be asylum ot have granted status. I would rather they be shipped to anywhere but here.

Would you like 1700 male asylum seekers on your doorstep BlueBelle? Would you feel vulnerable? That’s what my son and his wife face if the proposal for housing them at the former RAF base in Wethersfield, Essex goes ahead.

Germanshepherdsmum

Would you like 1700 male asylum seekers on your doorstep BlueBelle? Would you feel vulnerable? That’s what my son and his wife face if the proposal for housing them at the former RAF base in Wethersfield, Essex goes ahead.

Wouldn’t be necessary if the government had been anywhere near competent. They new Brexit would cause this issue - did nothing about it.

It is what it is wwm. I doubt you’d be too keen either. As I have said before, if all asylum claims were accepted where would they all live? They wouldn’t all be able to earn enough to rent homes even if such a number were available.

Germanshepherdsmum

It is what it is wwm. I doubt you’d be too keen either. As I have said before, if all asylum claims were accepted where would they all live? They wouldn’t all be able to earn enough to rent homes even if such a number were available.

Why do you think I’d be keen for heavens sake!?

A camp of young men whose asylum application is stretching far into the future with nothing to fill the day, day after day.

Of course it is a recipe for a lot of unhappy folk.

Germanshepherdsmum

It is what it is wwm. I doubt you’d be too keen either. As I have said before, if all asylum claims were accepted where would they all live? They wouldn’t all be able to earn enough to rent homes even if such a number were available.

Why wouldn't they be able to earn enough to rent somewhere to live?

Do you seriously think they would be able to earn enough to pay for rent, other bills and food? Any who have professional qualifications from their country of origin will have to pass further exams here in order to practise. That mainly leaves manual workers, if they can find a willing employer.

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

Would you like 1700 male asylum seekers on your doorstep BlueBelle? Would you feel vulnerable? That’s what my son and his wife face if the proposal for housing them at the former RAF base in Wethersfield, Essex goes ahead.

Wouldn’t be necessary if the government had been anywhere near competent. They new Brexit would cause this issue - did nothing about it.

Competent or no, this is the reality if you live in this area, or any area where so very many asylum seekers, mainly males, will be residing.Not a great prospect is it?

It certainly isn’t.

Germanshepherdsmum

Do you seriously think they would be able to earn enough to pay for rent, other bills and food? Any who have professional qualifications from their country of origin will have to pass further exams here in order to practise. That mainly leaves manual workers, if they can find a willing employer.

Ukrainian refugees with qualifications in professions where we desperately need recruits are unable to apply. Ther visas are short-term too.
They are working in menial jobs.
Where is all this available rented accommodation?

That is the reality.

How can an asylum seeker who has lost all their paperwork prove what qualifications they have and, even if they can, who pays for all the training they would require in order to work in their profession?

Indeed. All that is the reality.

Thank God for our independent judiciary.

Professionals such as much needed doctors, nurses, midwives etc can enter the country legally with a visa. They tend to arrive therefore, on aeroplanes, not via a dinghy across the channel. Therefore those arriving in this way are not likely to possesss the necessary qualifications to work in our health service or other professions. Most likely, they will end up in more manual occupations, still much needed, but not earning huge salaries and therefore eligible to claim top up benefits.

This is a problem made by the Conservatives. They need to have safe routes for asylum seekers and proceed their claims more quickly. Also, then issue temporary work visas so no cost to the taxpayer.
This can be sorted out but the Conservatives are either incompetent or happy to have this as an issue as a means to try and get re-elected.
We really need the grown ups back managing the country.

What people don’t know is that in the agreement for us to send migrants to Rwanda, they would then send their undesirables here to us. So basically we wouldn’t be any better off.

But - What do we do? I personally know of youngsters from The Gambia (where I support a charity funding schools, businesses and training) who just get the idea to come to UK and travel here illegally. Are we saying that is fine?

They are presumably economic migrants then. How do they get here?

Good, the right decision. Very thankful to have been born in a safe country with no threats to my life or that of my family. If that were the case, I hope that if I sought refuge in another country I would be welcomed and helped, regardless of my colour, religion or age.

JenniferEccles

‘Desperate people’ ?
Really? As we all know the vast majority of them are young males, economic migrants who turn up here illegally and expect to be housed, fed, given spending money, and the thing is that’s exactly what happens.

I’m very disappointed the Rwanda plan is deemed unlawful, but as I understand it, it’s only that particular country.
Hopefully another country has been considered, otherwise Suella Braverman was quite correct in her scathing letter.

Desperate!!
There's nothing desperate about all the young men flocking to my area, being given accommodation, meals and every conceivable help from all and sundry and still they moan they don't like it and intimidate locals.

I think you may not know the detail of the decision Cornishgreenhouse.

Interestingly I see that Finland has closed its borders to asylum seekers.