The Supreme Court has ruled the Rwanda deportations are illegal

Germanshepherdsmum

What’s your solution MayBee?

I don’t have a solution and I don’t deny that there is a problem. This is what governments are elected to do. But I don’t think the solution is that, if something is deemed to be illegal the solution is to either find a way round the law or change the law. I stupidly thought that this country had a good legal system: in fact the best in the world. So I’m shocked to find how wrong I have been up to this point. What I will say is that dehumanising people isn’t a solution. Especially as the very politicians that are dehumanising them are second or third generation immigrants themselves ( that’s the bit that really confuses me).

MerylStreep

MayBee70
Egypt has been mentioned.

Forget Egypt!

They have taken in a huge amount of Sudanese which is costing Egypt an huge amount, and of course they have the Gaza issue on its doorstep.

But we can’t just continue to take endless migrants who just fancy living here can we?
How many people could we be talking about, hundreds of thousands certainly, possibly millions.

Suppose a large number from Africa fancy coming here, or from the Middle East?

How will the country cope? We could be completely overwhelmed.
As it is the housing shortage is in a large part due to the rapidly rising population here, fuelled by immigration.

Our infrastructure is struggling to cope as it is.

Heaven help us then if Labour get in as they would do nothing to curb it.

MayBee70
Egypt has been mentioned.

LauraNorder
Money is being spent on speeding up the system. My daughter and her team are building a new computer program to speed up the system.

JenniferEccles

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

How many have you spoken to? Have you listened to any of their stories? How do you know they haven't been persecuted in their country of origin?

So what if they've travelled through safe European countries! Those countries don't owe the UK anything. If people want to come to the UK, it's not the business of any other country to stop them. Why it should it be?

What’s your solution MayBee?

Whitewavemark2

It seems that they fully intend to pursue and upgrade the agreement with Rwanda.

It is just words - it simply won’t come about before the next election.

It’s their only idea of a solution. They’re suffering from tunnel vision and can’t see beyond the Rwanda solution. They can’t admit that they got it wrong.

I have no problem with the UK taking it's fair share of asylum seekers. This is a world problem and as one of the wealthier countries and one, which in the past, has played it's part in creating unrest in foreign parts, we have a moral commitment to take our share. However, we need a functioning efficient system not the broken inefficient and under resourced one that we currently have under this govt. It is morally indefensible to try to palm off asylum seekers to any country without assessing their claim. IMO anyone who gets into a small boat and tries to cross the busiest shipping lane in the world is pretty desperate.

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

It seems that they fully intend to pursue and upgrade the agreement with Rwanda.

It is just words - it simply won’t come about before the next election.

I don’t agree that by the time these people reach France they are desperate. Desperate when they left their country of origin maybe, depending on their circumstances, but no longer desperate.

My friend is helping someone who came here on a boat. A young man let down by this country when we pulled out of Afghanistan and effectively gave it back to the Taliban. Who tortured this young man because one of his relatives treated someone who had stood up to the Taliban. The Taliban had murdered some members of his family. Every person who arrives here on a boat has a story. It’s wrong that the government just brands them as nameless boat people.

It seemed like the Government did no proper research - another "wishful thinking" policy. Rwanda should have raised serious red flags given its failure to deliver refugee housing agreements to other countries

Why didn't the fact that Rwanda had previously had a similar deal with Israel - that broke down in 2018 when Rwanda reneged upon its agreements with Israel and expelled some refugees that they were meant to be housing to other unsafe countries

Yes JenniferEccles desperate people.
They are predominantly young men mainly because their family at home in war torn and unsafe countries give up everything to pay for their eldest son to make a journey to a better life in the hope that they can then send for and share a better, safer, more prosperous life for the other family members.
Think how desperate you would have to be to give up everything you own and potentially put yourself in danger for your son or grandson.

‘Desperate people’ ?
Really? As we all know the vast majority of them are young males, economic migrants who turn up here illegally and expect to be housed, fed, given spending money, and the thing is that’s exactly what happens.

I’m very disappointed the Rwanda plan is deemed unlawful, but as I understand it, it’s only that particular country.
Hopefully another country has been considered, otherwise Suella Braverman was quite correct in her scathing letter.

The unanimous Supreme Court decision shows just how useless Braverman was as Home Secretary in devising an unlawful scheme and her winge that Sunak has no Plan B rebounds on her as the responsible Minister for anticipating problems. I doubt efforts to find yet another recipient country will succeed as the risk of refoulement to refugees' country of origin will always be an issue. The underlying point is that the UK needs more immigration to fill jobs in the NHS and elsewhere. The boat people are a very small percentage of legal immigration and blown out of proportion by the Tories for electoral reasons. Current refugees should be allowed to do paid work. The argument there is a reservoir of idle Brits is specious - many are disabled, suffering from long Covid and too old for manual work and they are often in the wrong location with little prospect of moving due to the lack of adequate social housing.

gsm

I keep wondering if there’s another country I could move to and can’t believe I’m thinking it.

That is right. A so called safe country may well pass the test, but frankly just giving that a modicum of thought will become immediate clear that it is never going to work.

The crazy idea to send desperate people to Rwanda is unlawful.

The ‘crazy idea’ was not unlawful per se - it was the choice of Rwanda which, in the SC’s view, which was unlawful.

foxie It isn’t alarmist it is verifiable fact

If the govt decides to take us out of the ECHR, I for one, would be prepared to come out onto the streets and march in protest. Or, perhaps they will have changed the law to prevent protests?? I find the thinking and direction of this govt increasingly worrying. Identify scapegoats, use inflammatory language, try to do things contrary to the law, try to change the law so they can do what they want. I know this sounds alarmist but I genuinely feel that unless the Conservative party moves away from it's right wingers we could become increasingly undemocratic.

This crazy idea was not only unlawful but immoral, uncaring, unaffordable, etc.
Now let’s see some workable and humane solutions put on the table.
Money spent on facilitating speedier processing would be a good start.