Net Migration Shocker

I will point out to you NotSpaghetti, that my husband worked in an independent school, which took both boarders and day pupils, for 36 years. They took many Chinese pupils, as well as pupils from Russia, and many African states, as well as British pupils. No pupil had a parent accompany them, they arrived at the airport and were picked up by the school. They lived in the boarding houses, and either went home in the holidays or stayed with British friends as house guests.
The only time a parent arrived with a boy, after arrival at the school, the pair disappeared, somewhere into the black economy was presumed, as they never reappeared.
No one can teach me anything about independent boarding schools and foreign students, since we have had 36 years of experience with this.

No one can teach me anything

You may well be right mo.

Please stop insulting me DAR.
You do yourself no favours at all.
Everyone on this site is reading it.

Do you have any experience of independent boarding schools and foreign students DAR?
I would be very interested to hear of your personal experiences re independent boarding schools and foreign students.

Oreo

Am a lifelong Labour supporter DAR tho I suspect you’re simply using the far right phrase as an insult.

Casdon I don’t think it would have been easy to make a huge change in immigration policies ( and implement them!) in the 13 years but they could sure have made a start.
Tony Blair’s government didn’t do anything either as they just saw money, a booming economy without caring about anything else.This problem really does go way back.

According to the Migration Observatory it started increasing from 1989 when Margaret Thatcher came into power, and it has increased slowly pretty much ever year since then. It’s economic decisions that have increased migration, and the answer is in the hands of the government of the day, whoever that is. For example, training more people to work in the NHS in the UK would drastically reduce the need to rely on overseas recruitment. If that was adopted as a government strategy, then yes, you could do it in 13 years. You can’t have the penny and the bun.

DaisyAnneReturns

You dont need to read fancythat. Just watch, listen and, hopefully (as in that's what I always hope for), learn.

He's paid the subscriptions, followed those in the know and done the analysis for you.

Out of interest, do you watch the news or read a newspaper? It's just another way of getting information. I do "get" that some people don't want to engage with technology but it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that of of this on GN a reasonable number might like getting information that way.

Not in 10 minute bites, no.
My DH says I have the concentration span of a gnat.
Makes watching films, um, interesting!

I don't understand why students would bring family members.Why?

Skydancer a post-graduate coming to do a PhD or granted a post-doctorial fellowship - and even some undergraduates may well be in their mid-20s or even older and will be married with children.

Almost everyone will be coming over here for three years and many cannot afford to return home until the end of their course. That is why they are given consent to bring their family with them. It seems to me a cruel and unusual punishment to say to anyone coming to study here for three years that they must separate themselves from their spouses and children for that period.

Even when you are in the army, except in times of active service, families travel with the soldier. I had just such a childhood, following the flag.

maddyone

Do you have any experience of independent boarding schools and foreign students DAR?
I would be very interested to hear of your personal experiences re independent boarding schools and foreign students.

But that would be suggesting I set my "experience" above knowledge of the law MO. Personally, I don't.

fancythat

DaisyAnneReturns

You dont need to read fancythat. Just watch, listen and, hopefully (as in that's what I always hope for), learn.

He's paid the subscriptions, followed those in the know and done the analysis for you.

Out of interest, do you watch the news or read a newspaper? It's just another way of getting information. I do "get" that some people don't want to engage with technology but it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that of of this on GN a reasonable number might like getting information that way.

Not in 10 minute bites, no.
My DH says I have the concentration span of a gnat.
Makes watching films, um, interesting!

We mustn't be unkind to gnats This is now becoming fascinating. People learn/absorb information in so nany different ways.

Don’t answer if you don't want you, but what have you done in the past when you have had to learn?

My attention span seems to have got shorter in proportion to my age.
I was fine at school.

Middle age - DH likes films. I used to struggle to watch one in a whole sitting when we first married. Now 20 mins is my maximum preferred watching time for them.

I rarely watch any 10 min videos. Whoever sends them and whatever they are about.
Bad isnt it.

Even on here, or whatever I am doing, I dont stay on one thing for long.

Grantanow

Immigration is here to stay and the Tories know it. Their failure is to fail to build more houses, schools and health facilities. Post-Brexit immigration (approved by visa) from non-EU countries has risen to fill NHS and care sector vacancies and student places at universities (generating much needed fee income). Many of these return home when their course ends. We simply don't have enough younger people to skills train (too few births). If we had not Brexited most of the immigrant intake would have been replaced by free movement. Labour know it too.

You always quote Brexit as a problem re essential workers, see Germany, expected to have shortage of 200 to 300, Nurses, and guess what, they are still in the EU, free movement and all that,yet they're recruiting Nurses from Brazil. !!!

Should say 200,000 to 300,000 nursesin next 10 years.

fancythat

My attention span seems to have got shorter in proportion to my age.
I was fine at school.

Middle age - DH likes films. I used to struggle to watch one in a whole sitting when we first married. Now 20 mins is my maximum preferred watching time for them.

I rarely watch any 10 min videos. Whoever sends them and whatever they are about.
Bad isnt it.

Even on here, or whatever I am doing, I dont stay on one thing for long.

I think your first sentence in pretty common to all of us (smile)

Bad isn't it
Not at all. We are, thankfully, all individuals - and all the better for our differences. I put videos on for those who want them but they’re not mandatory- it's just nice to share.

Thanks.

DaisyAnneReturns

Unpleasant? Stifling debate? What do you call this, eazybee? If you (or the writer) want others to speak softly and with reasoned facts, you need to the same.

And many don’t! They disappear into the black economy and therefore pay no taxes or insurance, and others simply keep on getting work visas and stay on to work, and bring their families in to join them, if they’re not already here as ‘dependents’ although I’m unsure how anyone can be dependent on a student without a job.

I find this disgusting. Others will find it disgusting too. When trying to work out why someone would say that, without any proof or numbers to tell us who and why those described are doing what MO says they are, I have reached only one conclusion. If there is another one I am very happy to learn.

You are wrong, there has been several reports of students entering to study, one never even started their course in Wales then disappearing into the black economy, one started found it too hard, how on earth do Universities assess the suitability of overseas students, or are they just interested in the money Universities and the Home office are failing the people of this country, and those who come here to work legally. See inside news.sky/story. Easily searchable,if you want to of course.

Your link doesn't appear to be working Freya.

MayBee70

Iam64

They are MaizieD
A friend who was a senior manager at three different universities said they depended on foreign students
My local university has a large number of students from China

Nottingham University is full of Chinese students: has been for as long as I can remember. There is even a copy of one of their main buildings somewhere in China. They have very close links.

Indeed it does:

www.nottingham.ac.uk/about/campuses/chinacampus.aspx

Nottingham University makes a profit from the outpost in China. I'm not sure what this has to do with immigration to the UK. It means that Chines students are staying in China rather than coming to the UK.

I dont think you can get away from the fact that some posts are based on pure prejudice. Sadly that makes a useful discussion impossible.

I shall try and work out how to put this thread on "ignore" if such a thing is possible.

Freya Please can we have a link to the source of your statement that Germany will need 200-300,000 more nurses in the next ten years.

i have tried your link as well Freya without success.

There are always bound to be people that buck the system but do you have any quantifiable evidence on the numbers of people doing this.

The cost of a university degree for a foreign student is normally north of £40,000 a year, and I think students have to have paid their fees before they get their visa. How many people can make so much money in the black economy, which mainly houses people paid wages well below the minimum wage to make i worth paying £40,000 for the privilege. I doubt there are many doctors, IT specialist or specialist engineers in the black economy.

So you have exactly zilch personal experience of working with foreign students DAR.
I wonder why I’m not surprised that you know absolutely nothing!
The law has nothing to do with the it. All the pupils I was referring to came here perfectly legally, but they didn’t bring their families with them because they were at a boarding school. The parents remained at home earning the money to pay their school fees.

casdon your post 14.52 is absolutely correct. The recent net migration figures reflect this economic requirement. Austerity and other government policies have a direct influence on these figures.

The government is weaponising these figures just as they threatened to do before the election.

The boat people are the tiniest amount to be almost invisible. They are not part of this economic migration, but seeking asylum which is a different issue.

This article confirms that Germany is recruiting from Brazil

en.mercopress.com/2023/06/08/germany-recruiting-skilled-labor-particularly-nurses-in-brazil

Re the amount of Chinese students.

www.theguardian.com/education/2019/nov/05/alarming-chinese-meddling-at-uk-universities-exposed-in-report.

These reports are also in The Telegraph and The Times educational.
Are they all wrong?