So pleased to see hostages being released.

Thousands of Palestinians are held in Israel on what are called Administrative Detention orders. These require no evidence and there is no open trial, the reason usually being given as national security. Under 18s are sometimes held under this rule.
This is an Israeli website which is trying to support human rights in Israel www.btselem.org/administrative_detention

It's great that the hostages are being released but let's remember the huge cost in human lives which has only been hesitated not stopped.

maddyone

^the Palestinians……. are the victims here^

What about the 1400 people murdered by Hamas? Are they not victims?

the Palestinians……. are the victims here

What about the 1400 people murdered by Hamas? Are they not victims?

Conveniently forgotten by paddyann, sadly.

What was and is happening is dreadful, war is terrible, but what happened at the music festival and in the kibbutz brought a new, baser level of evil and depravity to the situation.

Perhaps paddyann thinks this was justified. I cannot understand any civilised person dismissing such horrors unless they are anti-semitic.

Six million dead Jewish people during the Holocaust.
No wonder they wanted a safe homeland, even though it’s not really safe.
And the babies and young children in Palestine and Israel are the victims now.
And no, youths shouldn’t be jailed for throwing stones.
Perhaps it would be a good idea for them to be taught by the adults that throwing stones at IDF soldiers is not a good idea.

I can’t claim to begin to understand the situation between Palestine and Israel. I know about the removal of Palestine people in order for Israel to establish itself after the war etc etc. What I can’t understand is why Palestine can’t be a State which apparently and understandably they want. Can anyone enlighten me please?

I am pleased and relieved that The Hamas Terrorists are releasing the hostages which were illegally abducted from Israel on 7/10.

Hamas are a terrorist organisation, they were elected as the official government of Gaza, they need to be brought to trial.

No doubt mother’s do tell their children not to throw stones but it would help if soldiers stop shooting so many of them.
A stone can’t go far a bullet can.
Anyone who knows what has gone on over the last 60 odd years will understand the anger and hopeless situation of the Palestinian people.
Until this is resolved fairly it will continue through the generation s and there will be peace for none.

Galaxy

I think what paddy Ann was saying is that she would be accused of anti semitism. And she is right. Every time she comes on and lectures us and tells us to be ashamed I will point out that her post on Starmers wife who is Jewish was deleted for antisemitism.
And the phrase playing the victim card in reference to the holocaust makes me feel ill.

at the deletion!

It makes me feel ill, too. My dil is a rabbi and to think that there are people who thinks her family ‘plays the victim’ card when they speak of relatives they were never able to meet makes me want to vomit.

Some people are really showing their true colours now.

SueDonim 👍💐

Hundreds of Palestinian CIVILIANS lined the streets tonight to cheer and whistle as 2 Palestinian men were executed and hung upside down on a metal pole.

One of the executed men then had his legs cut off with his body discarded and thrown into a pile of rubbish.

Hamas claimed the 2 victims were Israeli informants.

The victims are:

Hamza Ahmed Hamza Mubarak - 31 years old - resident of Tulkarm camp - Alballuna neighborhood.

Azzam Jamal Hafez Javabra - 29 years old - resident of Kfar Rai, Jenin.

I saw this earlier Mollygo

I couldn’t find out if it happened in Gaza or the West Bank.

Just googled Alballuna and apparently it’s in Gaza.

I am rather puzzled that there were so many smart phones filming the incident, when there are multiple reports coming out of Gaza reporting that there is no electricity/generators.

How are they charging their phones?

Oh my God.
Is that really true?
That’s made me feel sick.
Those poor men. Nobody deserves such a death.

As I understand it Palestinians regard the state of Israel to have been created on Palestinian land hence, 'from the river to the sea etc.' However, going back to and perhaps beyond Roman times, Jews also regarded this land as theirs, Judea. Jews were evicted from Palestine, presumably by the Turks, (as they unfortunately were wherever they attempted to settle,) and travelled into Europe, (wandering Jews) where they equally weren't wanted and were persecuted for centuries, culminating in the holocaust, after which the Jews clearly needed a homeland where they would be safe. Where else but their original homeland Judea, thus immediately creating a seemingly insolverable problem from both points of view. Why should Palestinians have had to give up what they consider to be their homeland to accommodate Jews, equally why should Jews not be able to reclaim what they consider to be their homeland that they were once deprived of?

All of those murdered in Israel, during the attack in early October, are victims. Did anyone else on here wonder at the ferocity of the assault? Remembering the ISIS atrocities in Syria and Iraq, folk I have been talking to wondered if 'elements' other than Hamas were also involved.
Since then, in Gaza, more folk have been killed by IDF in seven weeks, than have been slain in Ukraine during the too many months of the Russian invasion.
Every Single One of those people is a victim of murder.
What can the nations of the world do to stop it?
We could start by having a look at a map of Israel, showing the area divisions, as they were initially agreed to, and brought into affect by 1949. Worth a look, and a long think.

Jaberwok, we were composing our posts at the same time.

Yes,it would appear we were! I totally agree that Israel should abide by its original border as agreed in 1948, but Palestine would have to agree to it too. As Palestinians regard the state of Israel to be on Palestinian land this could be difficult! I think the wisdom of Solomon would be hard put to find a satisfactory resolution.

Absolutely correct Jaberwok. Irreconcilable differences mean a solution is going to be hard to find.

silverlining48

Do you mean they were waving Palestinian flags which they have had since 1964 ?

No, I don’t mean Palestinian flags.They were wrapped in, and waving green hamas flags ( all green background with Arabic writing in white) and some wearing hamas headbands.Some were also holding the Palestinian flag ( which is fair enough.)
Shouting and praising God and hamas in equal measures.
If anyone thinks Palestinians in general in the West Bank or Gaza don’t support hamas, they should think again.
There are plenty over here in the UK who are hamas sympathisers too, and all over Europe.

Mollygo
Savages the lot of them, including the crowd eagerly watching,
Filming and enjoying the spectacle.

On the subject of stone throwing, we aren’t talking about a child flinging a pebble, but teenagers and young men and women who use sling shots and catapults full of anything from ballbearings to half bricks. 14 Israelis have been killed in this method and others injured.It seems to be a middle east pastime for thousands of years, stoning, especially the stoning of Jews in the last thousand years.
There is little hope of peace as it’s ingrained in Palestinian people as children to hate and despise Jews, as it is throughout the Arab world.

There were of course Christans in this mix, but there were, and still are other Christian countries where Christians can be assimilated. Unfortunately for Jews this not, and never has been the case. Even after WW2 such as survived more often than not found that they were less than welcome in the countries they had been abducted from particularly in eastern Europe leaving them once again stateless and afraid. The creation of a Jewish state would seem to be the answer, but where abouts was the question? Judea of course, but it doesn't exist anymore! Oh yes it does! and on we go!! No one is right and no one is wrong, but something in the end will have to be agreed upon, as there is no way either side can continue in this way. The massacre was appalling, equally so is the bombing.

Oreo, hating and despising Jews if we're honest, is worldwide as covertly alluded to on here, not just the middle east. Apart from the crucifixion, and I don't think we can blame modern Jewery for that, I'm at a loss to know why, but it is so. You are right about the stone throwing though. Think David and Goliath, 'stone's can do a lot of damage.

Tbh Jaberwok I took it as read that looking down on Jews is world wide, but it’s real hatred in Arab countries.

Language is important, "Playing the victim card" reduces the gravity of a genocide, the annihilation of 6,000,000 people, to the terminology used by some pissed off reality person having a go at some other wannabe. Nearly 100 years ago it might well be, but there are still people alive who lost their entire family to those camps or survived inside one.

Isn't it strange how selective time scales don't apply if it fits the narrative, lets face it, if the persecution complex is firing on all cylinders, as it so often is, then all manner of atrocities committed by the English going right back, probably to the time of Boudica can be pulled out of the hat!

paddyann said The anti Palestinian bias on here is shocking.They were waving the flag of their country NOT Hamas ' flag
Untrue - the jubilant youths were waving the Hamas flag:

news.sky.com/story/jubilation-in-the-west-bank-in-defiance-of-israeli-orders-as-palestinian-prisoners-freed-13015486

A stone can’t go far a bullet can.
It can, silverlining, if launched from a catapult. It can also kill.
Armed with only a sling, he picked a stone from a riverbed and slung it at Goliath's head. David's aim was true; the stone struck the giant and killed him and that remains true today.