Omid Scobie - Endgame.

Love it TerriBull maybe you could suggest to Gary that he devotes a chapter to the dog.

Doesn't the Markle sister have a book out soon; can't imagine it will be very flattering to the Sussex pair who will not be Californian dreaming for much longer.

Yes, but the distressing effect of the nasty stories is exactly what they want to hear; the royals' lack of retaliation is not how they act and they can't take it. More plotting, more nasty stories until they run out of material and really go too far.

eazybee

Yes, but the distressing effect of the nasty stories is exactly what they want to hear; the royals' lack of retaliation is not how they act and they can't take it. More plotting, more nasty stories until they run out of material and really go too far.

I thought Harry went too far in Spare saying what a difficult life Charlotte and Louis would have in the future feeling inferior to George, (like he did to William). For all Harry knows William and Catherine might well be including all their children in decisions about the future of the monarchy.
What I'm saying is, will they run out of material, because they can still dish the dirt from afar and relate it back to Harry's tough time in the family?

They will just invent material Joseann. They have already been caught out doing that.

Many of Harry's "memories" in Spare were proven to be false. He said he had to take a phone call in the head's office at Eton to tell him the Queen Mother had died. He went into detail - the sun shining through the window, etc.

The Press proved he had been on the ski slopes with Charles and William when Charles received the news!!! Haha!

There have been quite a few more "mis-rememberings".

I don't believe a word from H & M, nor from Scobie.

I thought Harry went too far in Spare saying what a difficult life Charlotte and Louis would have in the future feeling inferior to George, (like he did to William).

.... and if I remember rightly, Harry offered to "help" counsel William's children !!! Can you imagine it???

Oh I agree they will continue to dish the dirt and relate it to Harry's 'tough time' but it will become more distant and less relevant as they are less and less a part of British life.

Really, who cares if the royal family did speculate about the skin tone of the latest baby; it is what thousands of families do without any malice every day. A half-Indian friend speculated on the subject with me at the time; her children were all olive skinned and dark-haired; her sibling, married to a Scot with freckled skin and sandy hair had one child like her, one like him, and she was curious as to how it would be with H & M. Nothing remotely racist.

If you want to find racism badly enough eazybee you'll find it, and if you can't you can always fabricate it.

The silence from the RF is deafening and I have nothing but admiration for them all. Keeping silent and maybe hoping that if they give H & M enough metaphorical rope, they'll hang themselves.

They built the scaffold with the Oprah interview. H hung the rope with spare and I suspect Scobie's made the noose with Endgame.

Apparently the Dutch translator says the two names were definitely in the manuscript.

Scobie says they weren’t.

I know who I believe.

Boz

Doesn't the Markle sister have a book out soon; can't imagine it will be very flattering to the Sussex pair who will not be Californian dreaming for much longer.

I can’t keep up with all these books I’m not going to read. 😂

Merlotgran

I'm a bit confused, but haven't checked it out yet. I'm sure publishers know what they're doing, but
the two Dutch translstors were Dutch natives - Saskia Peeters and Nellie Keukelaar-van Rijsbergern. They translated Omid Scobie's words which I assume were in English. In my experience, translators always translate from their own mother tongue as this ensures accuracy and authenticity. I don't think you cannot totally produce all the cultural nuances if you are translating from a second language, even if you are bilingual?
Just talking to myself here!

* I don't think you can ..

Presumably the manuscript which was translated into Dutch is still in existence?

merlotgran

Boz

Doesn't the Markle sister have a book out soon; can't imagine it will be very flattering to the Sussex pair who will not be Californian dreaming for much longer.

I can’t keep up with all these books I’m not going to read. 😂

😂😂😂

10 o'clock news. The Palace responds!!

I understand what you’re saying Joseann, but surely if the king and Catherine are named, then they’re named.

Joseann

I'm a bit confused, but haven't checked it out yet. I'm sure publishers know what they're doing, but
the two Dutch translstors were Dutch natives - Saskia Peeters and Nellie Keukelaar-van Rijsbergern. They translated Omid Scobie's words which I assume were in English. In my experience, translators always translate from their own mother tongue as this ensures accuracy and authenticity. I don't think you cannot totally produce all the cultural nuances if you are translating from a second language, even if you are bilingual?
Just talking to myself here!

Fiction translators translate to their mother tongue.

That allows for many inaccuracies then. Nuances may well vary according to one's choice of vocabulary and writing style.
Pulp fiction!

Both of the translators have said that the Royals were named in the manuscript they received to translate.

Oops being reported on breakfast news,

I wonder if one were to wade through the different translations what differences one might find? And I bet some of the meanings might get a bit lost in translation.
I've seen the Dutch page that definitely mentions Charles in this context, but I'm intrigued as to how Catherine could be implicated.
I thought it might have been Camilla by just grinning smiling in the background. 😀

👍 GrannyGravy13
Shame my forthcoming trip to Amsterdam wasn't this week! I could have struck lucky, not! 🇳🇱

The translators need to produce the copy they translated from, but a name is a name isn't it. How can you wrongly translate something that wasn't there?

Aha, perhaps Karel and Catharina?