6 Day Doctors Strike

MaizieD come to think of it isn’t China buying up new property in the Uk?

MaizieD do we think property developers make legitimate profits from- building houses/flats/offices and selling them on or renting them out?
Am intrigued to see where your argument is going?

Germanshepherdsmum

No relevance whatsoever.

Yes, it is. As a professional. I would hope you would do the same job however much people paid. Your work was worth was worth the same whoever the client was.

ronib

MaizieD doesn’t it depend on the property developer? Berkeley Homes is profitable. And what relevance is there to the dire state of the NHS btw?

No, it doesn't depend on the property developer. All property developers get their money, whether or not they make profits, from the same sources. Which are?

I think the NHS would be better employed analysing the cause of the 7 million+ waiting lists, ronib.

See image on first page of link

The waiting list for hospital treatment rose to a record of nearly 7.8 million in September 2023. The 18-week treatment target has not been met since 2016.

Source: NHS England, Consultant-Led Referral to Treatment Waiting Times

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7281/

Why haven't targets been met since 2016?

No relevance whatsoever.

Germanshepherdsmum

I worked for property developers growstuff, not public organisations.

But some lawyers do work for public organisations. Do they charge less for public organisation work than they do for "private" clients? The same for any supplier - do they charge public organisations less for goods and services?

Hypothetically, if the whole NHS were to be privatised and everybody were to be covered by an insurance scheme, would doctors be able to charge more? I'm sure some patients would be willing to pay more for better treatment, so those who believe in market forces would be happy.

Long gone are the days when I paid higher rate tax, but I would have been happy to pay a bit of extra tax for a better NHS - and I wouldn't have minded paying more than people wo couldn't afford to pay. It's swings and roundabouts because I can't afford to contribute now what my NHS care cost.

MaizieD doesn’t it depend on the property developer? Berkeley Homes is profitable. And what relevance is there to the dire state of the NHS btw?

And what is the source of property developers' money, GSM?

The NHS has announced that it is documenting the harm caused by striking doctors who are refusing to return to work. Also I would like the NHS to study the harm caused to the 7 million plus patients waiting for treatment.

I worked for property developers growstuff, not public organisations.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Casdon*, the taxpayer doesn’t pay my son’s salary as a partner in a big City law firm, any more than it paid mine when I was in a similar position.

While not agreeing with the term 'the taxpayer', Casdon is correct. I prefer to use the term 'public money' but however it's termed. practically all money is issued by the state, either directly by state spending or indirectly by bank lending under licence from the state. (exception being foreign earnings, of course)

So, unless people are being paid by via foreign currency the origin of their salaries is state issued money. Public money.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Casdon*, the taxpayer doesn’t pay my son’s salary as a partner in a big City law firm, any more than it paid mine when I was in a similar position.

It depends who the client is. If it's a public organisation, the Treasury does pay directly. Did you give a discount for public services to save the taxpayer money?

Casdon, the taxpayer doesn’t pay my son’s salary as a partner in a big City law firm, any more than it paid mine when I was in a similar position.

There are many ways junior doctors can increase their pay. Locum work, extra shifts, private work etc.

I live very near the most sought after village on the North Norfolk Coast. I personally know of 4 doctors who live there and they all live in £1 million+ houses. That’s without all the doctors who have second homes there.

ronib

foxie48 in 2008 the BMA voted against increasing medical school places and against the building of new teaching universities. How is the BMA not accountable for the mess we’re in?

The BMA are a political organisation.

The BMA is a Trade Union ronib not an employer.

foxie48 in 2008 the BMA voted against increasing medical school places and against the building of new teaching universities. How is the BMA not accountable for the mess we’re in?

The taxpayer pays for everything Germanshepherdsmum. How do you think companies make profits? Whether it’s a tax or a payment from our salaries for something, we are still paying.

Locums are not in the pension scheme, get no holiday pay or sick pay and they only get work when it is available so not many will earn £200K!

It is the government who decide on numbers in med schools, not the BMA.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9735/

We have seen from the ex-NHS director the truth of what junior doctors are paid and it’s far more than the BMA would have us believe. And, as I keep saying, what a fantastic pension contribution. Public sector salaries have never matched those in the private sector, where the market decides the remuneration and the taxpayer isn’t paying for it.

Iam64 dog trainers earn less than junior doctors.

ronib, what’s that git to do with junior doctors earning less than dog trainers

Iam64 locum consultants are paid in excess of £200k a year. How much more should the NHS pay them?

Why should public sector workers, including doctors, be paid less than those in the private sector? It makes no sense at all.
This country can afford to meet the pay claim of our doctors. It’s political choice not to do so. The govt wants to continue running our NHS down because its belief system/ideology is to privatise public services.