Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Glorianny

Callistemon21

You really need to keep up with the latest investigations, Glorianny instead of relying on biased Wikipedia.

Saudi are still linked Callistemon. They have still been sold millions of pounds worth of arms by the UK and they have still slaughtered Yemenis.

Too simplistic, Glorianny, as Iam64 says.

Inflexibility of views is what starts conflicts.

Katie59

It’s not just the Jewish state is it Muslim extremists are dedicated to destroying all non Muslim cultures
They call themselves Hamas, ISIS, Houthi, Boco Haram, Hezbolah, Al-Kayda, Taliban and many other groups, they are armed by Iran principaly.
Given the chance they will kill as many non believers as they can, a large proportion of Muslims either passively or actively support their aims.

This is simplistic Callistemon21.
How come it's my more nuanced view of the Middle East and terrorism that is criticised when this piece of inaccurate, simplistic, biased crap passes unnoticed?

Callistemon wrote:

"Inflexibility of views is what starts conflicts."

Ad hominem. The person who states their opinion may have many faults but those should have nothing to do with the fair evaluation of any of their ideas.

Glorianny wrote:

"---this piece of inaccurate, simplistic, biased crap passes unnoticed-----"

It may well be because your literary style is more interesting. I have found in other media than Gransnet that Rightish crap is insidious in its effect.

Yes, insidious, and more dangerously insidious in its intention too.

Glorianny

Saudi aren’t good and I have never said otherwise. Their regime is as foul as Iran’s. However, you are blindly missing my point (no surprise there).

Iran fought Isis because they’re Sunni Muslims, not out of altruism. Isis butchered Yazizi Muslims because they aren’t practicing the ‘correct’ branch of Islam. Isis butchered Shia Muslims for the same reason. Iran are Shia so therefore they support anyone fighting Isis.

It is you that doesn’t understand.

As for Saudi being our friends - it’s oil. You may not agree but the west needs oil.

Bringing the Royals into it is just deflection. The Royals are figureheads. Prince Charles had to shake the hand of Martin McGuiness who was behind the plot to blow up his beloved uncle. I’m sure he would have much preferred not to but that’s diplomacy.

It’s amazing how Muslims take to the streets again and again over Palestine but many were rushing off to join Isis when they were on their murderous rampage.

You should open your mind but are obviously incapable.

Caleo

Callistemon wrote:

"Inflexibility of views is what starts conflicts."

Ad hominem. The person who states their opinion may have many faults but those should have nothing to do with the fair evaluation of any of their ideas.

So you don't agree that Netanyahu and Hamas could have inflexible views?

If not, why are they not sitting round a negotiating table?

tickingbird

Glorianny

Saudi aren’t good and I have never said otherwise. Their regime is as foul as Iran’s. However, you are blindly missing my point (no surprise there).

Iran fought Isis because they’re Sunni Muslims, not out of altruism. Isis butchered Yazizi Muslims because they aren’t practicing the ‘correct’ branch of Islam. Isis butchered Shia Muslims for the same reason. Iran are Shia so therefore they support anyone fighting Isis.

It is you that doesn’t understand.

As for Saudi being our friends - it’s oil. You may not agree but the west needs oil.

Bringing the Royals into it is just deflection. The Royals are figureheads. Prince Charles had to shake the hand of Martin McGuiness who was behind the plot to blow up his beloved uncle. I’m sure he would have much preferred not to but that’s diplomacy.

It’s amazing how Muslims take to the streets again and again over Palestine but many were rushing off to join Isis when they were on their murderous rampage.

You should open your mind but are obviously incapable.

I understand tickingbird but the reasons that different Muslim countries attack or support each other is largely irrelevant to the west.
What is important is the degree of support or interference that comes from the west.
Certainly with Saudi it's oil (I think I said so).
Iraq (almost equally Shia and Sunni) raged an intense and devastating war against Iran. That's why Saddam Hussein was in power. He was a US plant.
Iran threw out their US plant -the Shah. One of the reasons for the Islamic revolution was the desire to see an end to US interference.

As for Charles, Saudi and Martin McGuiness I don't think the IRA were still bombing and killing indiscriminately when they met, and McGuiness didn't hand over a plastic bag of cash

You seem to blinded a little by the factions of Islam.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with why we arm some countries but condemn others.

“As for Saudi being our friends - it’s oil. You may not agree but the west needs oil.”

It’s far from being just oil they are investing big time in the UK, but then so is China and lot of other odious governments that I would not like to live under.

To say Saudi are as bad as Iran just goes to show how out of touch some are.

as for Charles, Saudi and Martin McGuiness I don’t think the IRA were still bombing and killing indiscriminately when they met ……
McGuiness claims to have left the IRA, where he was a Commander, in 1974. His hand shake with Charles took place in May 2015. The Queen shook hands with McGuineaa in 2012.
Glory, you’re quick to criticise any diplomatic attempts by the royal family where the Saudis are concerned. The RF contribute to attempts to build bridges with regimes/political parties we may not always see, or have seen, as acceptable

Katie59

“As for Saudi being our friends - it’s oil. You may not agree but the west needs oil.”

It’s far from being just oil they are investing big time in the UK, but then so is China and lot of other odious governments that I would not like to live under.

To say Saudi are as bad as Iran just goes to show how out of touch some are.

Well that's alright then, if they are investing.!!

What do they have to do?
They already imprison women just for writing tweets.
They execute children.
Here's the details
www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia/report-saudi-arabia/

Callistemon, if Hamas and Netanyahu were to agree to a civilised discussion of ideas about the way to go the whole world would applaud.