Trump crushes his Republican rivals in the Iowa caucus!

Because Urms has expressed support for Trump?

DaisyAnneReturns

icanhandthemback

Urmstongran

caknib

Oh let's cut to the chase. Trump appeals to fascists and racists.

I did contemplate reporting your post.
Then I thought ‘no, let it stand’. I shall just enjoy my mug of Horlicks instead and treat that post instead with the contempt it deserves.

On what grounds would you report it? Genuinely interested!

So am I.

Emperor’s new clothes’ism?

I wouldnt report mainly because I dont think guidelines have been broken. I mostly hear the word facist to describe left leaning older women these days, so the term itself when used on the internet has very little meaning to me anymore.
However I think describing large groups of voters in derogatory ways is counter productive to say the least.

I suppose when someone is hard line right wing they are teetering towards fascism, but on reflection it is too easy to trot out.

The other stands though.

Good God has someone on the internet just changed their mind. Thanks caknib for saying that.

Germanshepherdsmum

Because Urms has expressed support for Trump?

The problem with using broad generalisations is that people can easily misunderstand the actual meaning or, heaven forfend, deliberately do so. For the sake of the unlogical, saying someone appeals to people with a particular characteristic does not mean that all appealed to share that characteristic although, in some cases, obviously they may.

It's a pointless strategy though and will be part of the reasons Trump wins if he does.

It also alienates the people who are 'on your side' so to speak.

Callistemon21

Urmstongran has no need to apologise for anything whatsoever, LondonMcFitz

I don't agree with her but she's entitled to say what she thinks within GN guidelines.

I agree - we are all entitle to have our say.

This would be the logic needed to make caknib's comment a problem:

Donkeys eat carrots
John eats carrots
Therefore John is a donkey

Sorry that should be cakmib's

I disagree. Urms has said she supports Trump, therefore she is right to feel that she is one of the people caknib referred to in her very sweeping statement, though I would like to think the statement was intended to refer to those who vote for Trump. I think many who will vote for Trump do fit that description. I hasten to add that we know Urms does not.

If only there were a credible alternative to Biden. This is the reason Trump is gaining traction.

The concept of decent moral human beings running countries is rapidly vanishing. It is very worrying.

There is one thing in Bidens favour, though, and that, at a time when so many awful things are happening in the world, is experience. Given that the Democrats seem to be determined to keep him they need to find a young and dynamic person to be vice president. Harris doesn’t seem to be very popular.

Thank you GSM.
Your post about my character means a lot to me. I suppose because I’m one of the few on here who endorse Trump I assumed cakmib had directed her comment to me personally. It hurt.

I expect it did. I’m sure I would have made the same assumption and felt hurt too. You most certainly do not fit cakmib’s description and hopefully she just meant to refer to US voters. I ‘know’ you well enough to know that you are neither racist nor fascist.

Thank you for enlightening us, Urmstongran. I read it as a generalisation rather than directed at you so the personal aspect didn't occur to me as a reason for complaint.

Outof interest I looked up the definition of fascism. Most described it as a government that dispenses with democracy but this definition was the one that I think of as fascism
Which sentences identify two characteristics of fascism?
Here are two sentences that identify characteristics of fascism: 1. Fascism is characterized by extreme nationalism and the belief that one's country is superior to all others. 2. Fascist governments often suppress individual rights and freedoms in the name of national unity and security.30 Jun 2021

The second one is interesting. Most governments suppressed individual rights during covid.

Luckygirl3

If only there were a credible alternative to Biden. This is the reason Trump is gaining traction.

The concept of decent moral human beings running countries is rapidly vanishing. It is very worrying.

There is a worry about Trump's health too now though isn't there? I'm not sure it sounds like there is undisputable proof but the Trump voters don't seem to need actual facts. If they do find something that moves them away it could affect that part of his following quite quickly.

Galaxy

The second one is interesting. Most governments suppressed individual rights during covid.

I rather think that a fascist government wouldn't have bothered to restore them, though.

(I was going to say 'post covid', but covid isn't actually over)

I think it gave some governments some interesting ideas about individuals freedoms.

Germanshepherdsmum

I disagree. Urms has said she supports Trump, therefore she is right to feel that she is one of the people caknib referred to in her very sweeping statement, though I would like to think the statement was intended to refer to those who vote for Trump. I think many who will vote for Trump do fit that description. I hasten to add that we know Urms does not.

I frequently come across assertions (often expressed with some hostility) that 'old people vote tory' and 'old people voted for Brexit'.

I am definitely 'old' but I have never voted tory and didn't vote to leave the EU. However,it's really not worth getting huffy about it and taking it as an insult. The truth is that more 'old people' vote tory than in other demographics, and that more 'old people' voted Leave than Remain. I just ignore it.

Playing the victim over a generalisation

However, I cannot bring myself to respect the judgement of a Trump Supporter...

In what respect, Galaxy?

I liken it to a Venn diagram. One circle is racists. The other circle is Trump supporters. Overlaps are racists who support Trump. Which leaves part of one circle from the racist circle who support candidates other than Trump. And puts me in the part of the other circle who just support Trump.