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Trump crushes his Republican rivals in the Iowa caucus!

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Urmstongran Tue 16-Jan-24 09:36:36

People obviously remember what the US was like under Trump, before Biden destroyed it.

J52 Tue 16-Jan-24 10:50:10

Germanshepherdsmum

I await Urms’s reply to Siope with interest.

I am genuinely interested in hearing why someone supports Trump, especially someone who doesn’t live in the USA?
Can we have an answer please?

nanna8 Tue 16-Jan-24 10:57:45

He looks after the USA. He can communicate with countries like North Korea because he ‘gets’ them. He is not so belligerent as Biden, probably doesn’t have shares in weaponry. He is more energetic, speaks better. Not so likely to start a World War ( that’s a big one ) . For my country he would be far worse ,of course, but for the US - better. You asked. I don’t live there so I am not voting for him anyway so what I think is irrelevant, same as the rest of us. Oh, and he understands and relates to the Baptists.

Mogsmaw Tue 16-Jan-24 10:58:37

J52

Germanshepherdsmum

I await Urms’s reply to Siope with interest.

I am genuinely interested in hearing why someone supports Trump, especially someone who doesn’t live in the USA?
Can we have an answer please?

I agree, genuinely, I’d love to hear your views Urmstongran
I think it’s important to hear both sides so we can understand all the issues

henetha Tue 16-Jan-24 10:59:59

I find it really hard to understand why any right thinking person would vote for Trump.
I would be interested to hear why they would.
I agree that Biden is far from being the best candidate for the Democrats. He is too old. Why can't they find someone like Antony Blinken to run? Perhaps he simply doesn't want to.

Casdon Tue 16-Jan-24 11:01:54

It’s a victory for corruption and immorality.

henetha Tue 16-Jan-24 11:02:59

Thanks nanna8. I cannot agree with your reasons for preferring Trump.

Urmstongran Tue 16-Jan-24 11:04:20

Wars under Obama-7
Wars under Trump - none...and yet Trump is somehow the warmonger? I don’t think so.

He genuinely puts America first. And he has the measure of Russia, Iran and China.

I think the world is a safer place with him leading it.

biglouis Tue 16-Jan-24 11:06:08

I dont live in the USA and dont know if I would vote for him if I did.

However I would vote for someone on the hard right who would:-

Take a very strong anti immigration line

Stop getting involved in foreign wars

Put our own people first

Norah Tue 16-Jan-24 11:08:19

nanna8 I am not voting for him anyway so what I think is irrelevant, same as the rest of us. Oh, and he understands and relates to the Baptists.

I suspect this is key 'he understands and relates to the Baptists and Evangelical Christians'. Which is well and truly a mystery.

Urmstongran Tue 16-Jan-24 11:08:27

Putin annexed Crimea under Obama/Biden and invaded Ukraine under Biden. The Middle East was much quieter under Trump (a Nobel Peace prize could have been in the offing). N Korea attended disarmament talks. USA used force four times, two bombing missions to destroy chemical weapons in Syria, the assassination of a top terrorist leader (who was on a mission in foreign country) and one MOAB attack on a giant Taliban underground command centre.

Norah Tue 16-Jan-24 11:09:20

Casdon

It’s a victory for corruption and immorality.

Indeed.

henetha Tue 16-Jan-24 11:12:21

I agree Casdon

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 16-Jan-24 11:13:42

I agree Casdon.

Aveline Tue 16-Jan-24 11:18:03

Trump's popularity is is simply incomprehensible! Surely America can produce better politicians.

J52 Tue 16-Jan-24 11:28:13

Some interesting graphs, sourced from the BBC, but from reliable reasearch.

J52 Tue 16-Jan-24 11:29:54

I
Oops, images! They stop before Covid, but was the USA better under Trump?

nanna8 Tue 16-Jan-24 11:30:13

Urmstongran

Wars under Obama-7
Wars under Trump - none...and yet Trump is somehow the warmonger? I don’t think so.

He genuinely puts America first. And he has the measure of Russia, Iran and China.

I think the world is a safer place with him leading it.

Definitely. I used to go to an Independent Baptist church for many years and they all said they would vote for him , a couple of years or so back. A few of them had family in the USA or were actually visiting from there and working over here.

ronib Tue 16-Jan-24 11:32:55

I think paradoxically that Putin would not have taken on Ukraine if Trump had been president at that time. Trump is unpredictable and his lunacy kept Putin from acting. Just a thought.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Jan-24 11:57:17

Trump and his anti-war stance is a total myth

Trump relied more on his military rather than diplomacy, than almost all previous presidents. He escalated every single military conflict that he inherited.

At no time did he bring “the troops home” nor “end endless wars”.

For example he expanded the USA military intervention in the Yemen.

He risked bringing the USA to the brink of war with Iran with the illegal assassination of an Iranian general.

The world was closer to nuclear war than it had been for years during his tenure.

Closer to home Trump oversaw greater violence in the USA than ever.

Do not be fooled by the propaganda put out by Trump supporters. They will take up weapons quicker than anyone - look at Jan 6 th and he supports them - in fact he intends to pardon those found guilty of insurrection.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Jan-24 11:58:03

ronib

I think paradoxically that Putin would not have taken on Ukraine if Trump had been president at that time. Trump is unpredictable and his lunacy kept Putin from acting. Just a thought.

Quite an interesting take

toscalily Tue 16-Jan-24 11:58:52

Agree with both Grantanow and Casdon

vegansrock Tue 16-Jan-24 12:03:39

There’s a lot of stupid people about .

Urmstongran Tue 16-Jan-24 12:19:20

Re Trump - Tax cuts; a successful economy; oil and gas exploration; low inflation; keeping Xi, Jong-Un, Putin and the mullahs in their boxes; the Abraham Accords; made good progress with the southern border; holding at bay the tsunami of leftist horror that has engulfed the country since he left office.

Oreo Tue 16-Jan-24 12:21:47

Whitewavemark2 he actually did bring the troops home from Afghanistan.
Am no Donald supporter but give him credit for that at least.

Siope Tue 16-Jan-24 12:22:41

I’m fascinated that pro-Trump people think his policy re North Korea was somehow good for the USA, when, in fact, it was a political and diplomatic coup for North Korea (which culminated, of course, in Kim Jong Un unveiling the country’s biggest ever inter-continental missile).

North Korean leaders had long sought the political legitimacy, prestige and leverage that public meetings with a US president would provide, and Trump fell for it, apparently believing that he had persuaded Kim to meet.

He treated the summit as some kind of victory in itself, whereas what it really demonstrated was that Kim’s strategy of developing and testing nuclear weapons had worked, and forced the most powerful hostile imperialist government (as North Koreans see it) to treat North Korea with respect.

The only concessions - reduced US involvement in protecting South Korea, essentially - came from Trump, undermining his own officials in the process, in return for vague (and rapidly u-turned) ‘promises’ about nuclear disarmament - the same pledges Kim’s gather and grandfather had made.

The main benefit of the meetings with Trump was helping North Korea repair its increasingly fractious relationships with China and Putin, a triumvirate which quite clearly does not have the USA’s best interests at its heart.