Princess of Wales has left Hospital

Germanshepherdsmum

The private sector is not a parasite Grantanow. Yes, people can queue jump if they pay but those people will be paying/have paid NI contributions and if they disappear from NHS queues that frees up places for NHS patients. I am well aware that most private hospitals don’t have ICUs. The transfer of patients to NHS units is part of the two-way relationship whereby NHS consultants can use space in private hospitals which is unavailable in NHS hospitals.

You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think parliament could eradicate the private healthcare sector tomorrow. Let’s face it, the nub of your argument is that you don’t like people to have more money than you, and have the opportunity to purchase things you can’t,, do you?

I'm not going to repeat my arguments. On that I rest my case. But GSM you have no idea of my financial status so your statement that I am motivated by not having as much money as those who can pay is entirely without foundation. You can't infer it from what I have said because I am making a political point, not a personal one.

I wish Catherine PoW a speedy and full recovery.

I think the tabloids are very rude not using her title particularly as she married to the heir to the throne and mother to next in line after her husband.

I cannot help being curious and wonder if she’s had a radical hysterectomy? Very rude of me, I know

Grantanow

Germanshepherdsmum
The private sector is not a parasite Grantanow. Yes, people can queue jump if they pay but those people will be paying/have paid NI contributions and if they disappear from NHS queues that frees up places for NHS patients. I am well aware that most private hospitals don’t have ICUs. The transfer of patients to NHS units is part of the two-way relationship whereby NHS consultants can use space in private hospitals which is unavailable in NHS hospitals.

You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think parliament could eradicate the private healthcare sector tomorrow. Let’s face it, the nub of your argument is that you don’t like people to have more money than you, and have the opportunity to purchase things you can’t,, do you?
I'm not going to repeat my arguments. On that I rest my case. But GSM you have no idea of my financial status so your statement that I am motivated by not having as much money as those who can pay is entirely without foundation. You can't infer it from what I have said because I am making a political point, not a personal one.

I am not against private hospital treatment, nor private education. People should always be able to spend their money how they choose and of course it’s unfair, but life isn’t fair. I have used both NHS and private medical treatment, in all cases I’m extraordinarily grateful for the care I received from all staff, from consultant to cleaner!

The tenor of your posts may give more of a clue than you think, Grantanow.

Grantsnow

You seem to have forgotten the very high fees and lack of grants now for medical students. My friend’s son is a trainee surgeon, having been training for 7 years, the first 5 years of his training cost HIM Approx £125,000 in student loans, including fees/maintenance/books etc, this is paid back at a proportion of their salary from day one and isn’t interest free.

You have really made some frightful comments on this thread. My cousin is a consultant paediatrician at a large children’s hospital, he does NO private work, but does not resent the private sector as you seem to?

I don’t see the point in railing against private healthcare, there is no country in the world which offers free universal healthcare which fully meets the needs of its citizens. The nearest is probably Brazil, but there is still a private healthcare system.
Funding the NHS properly to ensure it can provide safe and appropriate care for the population, particularly in emergency, urgent and life threatening cases is far more of a priority.

I bet she left at the same time as King Charles, but from a different exit.

For growstuff - the NHS routinely books some folk into private facilities for ops they actually pay for. It eases the load and lists for their own operating theatres. I gather the actual costs don't differ that much for the more routine type procedures?

Even in communist countries those that had money could get private health care, if someone is prepared to pay and take the load off the state it’s fine by me. They have paid tax on the money they spend it as they wish, I’m sorry that some dont see it that way, envy is a terrible vice.

The poor royals cannot escape health concerns, they’re just as normal as anyone else in that respect, I’m just so pleased to hear they’ve both returned home

Katie59

Even in communist countries those that had money could get private health care, if someone is prepared to pay and take the load off the state it’s fine by me. They have paid tax on the money they spend it as they wish, I’m sorry that some dont see it that way, envy is a terrible vice.

I don’t suppose Vladimir Putin goes on a waiting list if he needs any medical procedure.

😆

Cossy

Grantsnow

You seem to have forgotten the very high fees and lack of grants now for medical students. My friend’s son is a trainee surgeon, having been training for 7 years, the first 5 years of his training cost HIM Approx £125,000 in student loans, including fees/maintenance/books etc, this is paid back at a proportion of their salary from day one and isn’t interest free.

You have really made some frightful comments on this thread. My cousin is a consultant paediatrician at a large children’s hospital, he does NO private work, but does not resent the private sector as you seem to?

Its true, as you say, that medical student pay fees as do all other university students. The medical degree is longer so medical students pay more but in other subjects the first degree often has to be topped up at extra cost by a Masters for career reasons.

Allowing for the contribution paid by medical students the residual cost to the taxpayer is still £163,000 each (as noted on Full Fact fullfact.org/health/cost-training-doctor/).

I dont 'resent' the private sector: I simply think it is effectively subsidised by the NHS/taxpayer in a variety of ways. When patients are transferred to private hospitals for treatment because of the lack of NHS capacity the NHS pays the costs. When private patients are transferred to the NHS because the private hospitals lack some facilities the NHS picks up that cost.

I applaud doctors who refuse to work in the private sector.

Katie59

Even in communist countries those that had money could get private health care, if someone is prepared to pay and take the load off the state it’s fine by me. They have paid tax on the money they spend it as they wish, I’m sorry that some dont see it that way, envy is a terrible vice.

Of course they did!

Along with palaces, country residences, limousines, chauffeurs, security.
Anyone who thinks communism means equality doesn't know history.

They have paid tax on the money

So by choosing to go privately, a taxpayer pays twice.

I was surprised the other day going through old paperwork in readiness for retirement. As a family we have never used the NHS, so have not cost it a penny. Other than gp referrals and A & E. Even after an emergency appendectomy DH was transferred to a private hospital, and our children were all born privately. I did a quick add up of our hospital bills which reached nearly six figures with consultations, scans, patholgy and prescriptions etc. And we were fortunate to be low users of private medicine. So my understanding might be that we saved the NHS money (?) , and if you multiply that by the thousands of other people paying for private medicine it isn't peanuts.