Keir Starmer and Project Fear

We are in the strong electoral position we are in because Starmer is the leader, it would be very different if Corbyn had remained. Even with the chaos that is going on kn the conservative party.

I understand why some posters feel that Keir Starmer is the attraction, but my feeling is that many voters vote for the party, not the man. There are notable exceptions to this: Blair, Thatcher, and Johnson come to mind, but generally speaking, the man or woman on the street care little about the leader, or even their own MP (it’s surprising how few people can name their own MP) and they simply vote for the party. The people have had enough of the Conservatives and want change. They don’t really care who is at the helm so long as it’s not the Conservatives.

That might be true but the labour party is only functioning because of KS. His transformation of the party is nothing short of extraordinary.

Definitely he has transformed the party

"he’s a hypocrite, a racist, a liar, an ocean-going dud who doesn’t believe in anything. He can’t be trusted on Brexit or security. He can’t be trusted to protect women. He can’t be trusted with the economy, the NHS, the free press or even the monarchy. In fact, he can’t be trusted on anything. What’s more, he’s rich, he’s woke, and he plays the flute."

This still makes him a vast improvement on the last 5 PMs in my eyes. I didn't see the words blatant liar on that list.

Greyisnotmycolour

"he’s a hypocrite, a racist, a liar, an ocean-going dud who doesn’t believe in anything. He can’t be trusted on Brexit or security. He can’t be trusted to protect women. He can’t be trusted with the economy, the NHS, the free press or even the monarchy. In fact, he can’t be trusted on anything. What’s more, he’s rich, he’s woke, and he plays the flute."

This still makes him a vast improvement on the last 5 PMs in my eyes. I didn't see the words blatant liar on that list.

You don’t like him much then!.

To lie convincingly is part of the job description for jobs in public office.

I think all the nonsense being put out about Starmer was being quoted - not necessarily agreed with.

What a strange summary of your views on Starmer, greyisnotmycolour.
I didn’t know he plays the flute, good for him. His wealth is the result of work and as for ‘woke’ a lazy and offensive way to describe someone whose politics aren’t to the right of Genghis Khan

Iam64

What a strange summary of your views on Starmer, greyisnotmycolour.
I didn’t know he plays the flute, good for him. His wealth is the result of work and as for ‘woke’ a lazy and offensive way to describe someone whose politics aren’t to the right of Genghis Khan

I think you have misinterpreted that post. greyisnotmycolour is quoting from the OP, but, along with a number of posters, seems to have forgotten how to format a post so as to make it understandable.

Anniebach

The far left thought Corbyn was such a winner, he gave Labour the worse defeat since 1935

The only reason for that was Boris promising to ‘Get Brexit done’ so all the people who voted leave voted Conservative. Jeremy didn’t commit to a strategy on Brexit and people were fed up of waiting. That’s it. Before that he had done well in the previous election. Starmer is not popular and I’m not keen but I will be voting Labour and hoping he gets ousted by the party at some point. The only reason Labour is predicted to win the GE is because the Tories have been so appalling.

I'd say that the point about Starmer is not whether he is popular or not but

1) whether he can get all factions of the Labour party to pull together enough to win the next election, and

2) whether, once they have a majority in power, he can plan and introduce measures to counteract the appalling legacy of the Tory years and

3) whether he can get them voted into effect.

He seems to be achieving point one, against resistance from some who would prefer him to stick to old policies.

He is perfectly capable of point two, as his legal experience equips him with the ability to do the research, form a coherent plan, and carry it out, and his previous record in helping clients with complex problems will have shown him what legislation is needed.

Point three he will succeed in if he isn't hindered by party members who want to dump him once he has earned them a good majority of seats - but without first finding someone who can do better in a very difficult position.

The Labour party could be cutting off its nose to spite its face if they don't continue to support him.

Buttonjugs

Anniebach

The far left thought Corbyn was such a winner, he gave Labour the worse defeat since 1935

The only reason for that was Boris promising to ‘Get Brexit done’ so all the people who voted leave voted Conservative. Jeremy didn’t commit to a strategy on Brexit and people were fed up of waiting. That’s it. Before that he had done well in the previous election. Starmer is not popular and I’m not keen but I will be voting Labour and hoping he gets ousted by the party at some point. The only reason Labour is predicted to win the GE is because the Tories have been so appalling.

spot on Buttonjugs, I'll be voting Labour too for the same reason, I think Starmer is better than he comes over, he is wooden but a perfectly decent chap and will be a good PM

He as become less wooden recently and has even been making jokes at Sunak's expense.

Dinahmo

He as become less wooden recently and has even been making jokes at Sunak's expense.

yes that is true now you point it out, its a helluva responsibility on him, so many are relying on him winning the next election, he gets my vote, labour always has looked after ordinary folk and thats what I want