Keir Starmer and Project Fear

Flappergirl The Greens in Scotland put forward that from 2025 no one could sell a residential property if it had a gas boiler for heating/cooking. SNP supported it. Only after a massive public protest the current First Minister cancelled it. The Greens definitely live in their own La La Land. Even more so than the rest!

Cossy look at the opinion polls to see the impact the Ed Davey PO ‘scandal’ has had on the Lib Dem election vote share - none, so far at least.

MayBee70

ruthiek

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

And which Conservative MP’s do you think should be called in?

They could bring back Ken Clarke, the anti Brexit hero, I could cope with him being part of a coalition government.

Anniel

I have enjoyed this thread. I think Keir Starmer is sincere if a little wooden. I am a Conservative but freely admit that governments can be in power for too long and the current crop of MPs are a mediocre lot. I think Labour has good intentions but the outcomes have not been good. I speak of the NHS and School#. Building new hospitals was good but not to tie them to PFI because any repairs or maintenance was done by greedy cibstruction companies. Schools were built but teachers are in short supply, Todays teachers are faced with students many of whom do not want to learn and discipline is missing. I was shocked by the person who thought that Ed Davey had not been hit that hard. I think he is toast even in his own party. Where did that poster get their information.? I ma be a Tory but please do not think Tory voters are stupid. Most of us know the party has lost its way. Many of us don’t know how to vote next time. One thing is for sure and if the candidate for Labour in Hampstead and Golders Green is a good choice maybe I coukd be persuaded to vote Labour for the first time, I don’t think it will happen and fear a great many Tory voters will stay at home. If the Tories lose in my constituency that will show the level of dissatisfaction with the Conservative government.

What a fabulously balanced view and I thank you for this. I can only pray that other Conservatives think in a similar way and do vote for whom they believe cares the most about our country and its citizens.

ruthiek

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

And which Conservative MP’s do you think should be called in?

Maggieanne

Casdon, I used to do YouGov surveys until they became impossible to give a correct answer. The surveys were so biased that whatever your opinion, it was twisted to suit whatever they wanted to show the world. Quite nasty really, not to be trusted.

You Gov was founded by Nadhim Zahawi and Stephan Shakespeare ) nee Kukowski) in May 2000. The latter is the former owner of the websites ConservativeHome (now owned by Lord Ashcroft) and PoliticsHome (now owned by Dods Parliamentary Communications Ltd) which he launched in April 2008 after closing down his Internet television channel 18 Doughty Street.

I think I detect a political bias here.

Dinahmo

MaizieD

The extreme Right is a force to be reckoned with when you see internatonally .

Usually funded by many of those multimillion or billionaires that most people on Gnet recently defended so vigorously

Apparently Laurence Fox is paid £250k a year by a mad, right wing, Brexit millionaire nutter. Many of the right wing commentators that appear regularly on GBNews etc (plus some mainstream tv programmes from time to time) work for think tanks based in Tufton Street. These are funded by extreme right multi millionaires, often American, whose identities are kept secret.

It’s been interesting to watch ordinary Germans taking a stand against the extreme right this weekend, good for them.

MaizieD

^The extreme Right is a force to be reckoned with when you see internatonally ^.

Usually funded by many of those multimillion or billionaires that most people on Gnet recently defended so vigorously

Apparently Laurence Fox is paid £250k a year by a mad, right wing, Brexit millionaire nutter. Many of the right wing commentators that appear regularly on GBNews etc (plus some mainstream tv programmes from time to time) work for think tanks based in Tufton Street. These are funded by extreme right multi millionaires, often American, whose identities are kept secret.

ruthiek

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

Angela Rayner is not a Corbynistas ruthiek, she’s a pragmatist not an idealist. She was never considered as one, and hasn’t been supported by the left.

For those who don’t like the thought of a Labour government, Liz Truss is regrouping…

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

I'd trust him more if he played the oboe

I hope that Labour has a landslide to get rid of this terrible government. Lots of personal attacks on Keir Starmer on here rather like the right wing media. He has managed to successfully negotiate attacks on him from the left in the Labour party and the right wing politicians. I haven't seen any charisma amongst the Tory party leaders just austerity and pushing the nation into poverty.

Starmer is criticised because he doesn’t oppose the government for the sake of opposing them: if he feels what they are doing is in the best interest of the country he supports this. He did this throughout the pandemic. Imo he is someone that puts the country first and I can’t see a problem with that.

maddyone

^He will win the next election because he is not the Conservatives^

Yes he will, and that is precisely the reason. It’s actually nothing to do with him at all, it’s simply because he is not the Conservatives.

What do you mean exactly maddyone? Are you saying that any leader of Labour would win the next election, including Corbyn?

I never knew he played the flute. That distinguishes him from other politicians...

maddyone

^He will win the next election because he is not the Conservatives^

Yes he will, and that is precisely the reason. It’s actually nothing to do with him at all, it’s simply because he is not the Conservatives.

His aim at the moment is probably just that - to win the election and have a working majority. Once in power, he can try to steer the various skeins of interest in the Labour party into enacting the reforms that he wants, It will be interesting to watch how that goes, there are some one-issue segments in the party.

The main thing is that the last 14 years of Tory rule have been pretty dire. I think Starmer is cautious and competent so I want to see him in No. 10. In my constituency that means voting Lib Dem though I find the candidate a poor choice.

I have enjoyed this thread. I think Keir Starmer is sincere if a little wooden. I am a Conservative but freely admit that governments can be in power for too long and the current crop of MPs are a mediocre lot. I think Labour has good intentions but the outcomes have not been good. I speak of the NHS and School#. Building new hospitals was good but not to tie them to PFI because any repairs or maintenance was done by greedy cibstruction companies. Schools were built but teachers are in short supply, Todays teachers are faced with students many of whom do not want to learn and discipline is missing. I was shocked by the person who thought that Ed Davey had not been hit that hard. I think he is toast even in his own party. Where did that poster get their information.? I ma be a Tory but please do not think Tory voters are stupid. Most of us know the party has lost its way. Many of us don’t know how to vote next time. One thing is for sure and if the candidate for Labour in Hampstead and Golders Green is a good choice maybe I coukd be persuaded to vote Labour for the first time, I don’t think it will happen and fear a great many Tory voters will stay at home. If the Tories lose in my constituency that will show the level of dissatisfaction with the Conservative government.

Thanks

Anniebach

The manifesto has been released ?

No! It is being put together, and I have been reading on the likely content.

It makes sense given how labour has reacted to date.

The manifesto has been released ?

Just reading that Labours manifesto is intent on “not frightening the horses” and allow the rabid right wing to kick it into touch.

So we will see a paired back plan for social care - remember that labour and May got slaughtered with their social care plans when they were labelled a destructive tax? Labour is keen not to fall into that trap again, and so will focus on increasing and training care workers before tackling the main issue in future years.

Likewise the net zero issue, and green energy will be paired back until they are able to see what a state the economy is in (I know, I know maizie😄) and how we will be placed to invest.

The focus on growth is to enable the economy to grow and the resultant revenue can be used for the care issue, green energy and all the other things like child care etc.

Honestly they have so much to tackle I am not sure where they will start.

But what I worry about is too high expectations from a population that has had it so hard for so many years,

I don't care who they put at the front of Labour, its policies I vote for and Labour have always been the party of the working people, as in NHS etc. their recently cancelled policy to secure school buildings deleted when the Tories + LD got into power have showed us how much other parties care about ordinary services.
OK Starmer isn't as slick and charming as Tony Blair but he is solid & reliable & thats what we need at the moment. I like the rest of the Labour team too.
The right wing press is terrified of him, billionaire owners will loose their non-dom status too, and that's just for starters. I do think Labour have been very sparing with their policy announcements, probably wary of headlines like 'what a bloody silly idea that is' or words to that effect, they've wanted to leave headline space for Tory scandals, and what a good job they've done of that.

karmalady

KS is certainly not a leader, it is very obvious, watching his body language and his lack of action or planning and he has the charisma of a dead fish

Is it “charisma” we need in our PM? Johnson? Blair?

What planning and action can any opposition do? They have no power? Their role is to call out those in power, which personally I think Starmer does.

Or is it a safe pair of hands and someone who is, for a political, pretty honest and understands Mr/Mrs Aversge, because this is how Starmer grew up!

I gave up reading right wing rags when all they were doing was highlighting the few people who diddle their benefits, loving the royals (bar evil Meghan), and generating slating all public services.

It’s a shame as at one point the DM had some really good investigative journalists who highlighted some excellent cases of public interest, for example a council who were putting children up for adoption from parents with low IQs (no danger to their children) and some of the other things which happen in our “closed” courts.