Keir Starmer and Project Fear

maddyone

^He will win the next election because he is not the Conservatives^

Yes he will, and that is precisely the reason. It’s actually nothing to do with him at all, it’s simply because he is not the Conservatives.

What do you mean exactly maddyone? Are you saying that any leader of Labour would win the next election, including Corbyn?

Starmer is criticised because he doesn’t oppose the government for the sake of opposing them: if he feels what they are doing is in the best interest of the country he supports this. He did this throughout the pandemic. Imo he is someone that puts the country first and I can’t see a problem with that.

I hope that Labour has a landslide to get rid of this terrible government. Lots of personal attacks on Keir Starmer on here rather like the right wing media. He has managed to successfully negotiate attacks on him from the left in the Labour party and the right wing politicians. I haven't seen any charisma amongst the Tory party leaders just austerity and pushing the nation into poverty.

I'd trust him more if he played the oboe

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

For those who don’t like the thought of a Labour government, Liz Truss is regrouping…

ruthiek

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

Angela Rayner is not a Corbynistas ruthiek, she’s a pragmatist not an idealist. She was never considered as one, and hasn’t been supported by the left.

MaizieD

^The extreme Right is a force to be reckoned with when you see internatonally ^.

Usually funded by many of those multimillion or billionaires that most people on Gnet recently defended so vigorously

Apparently Laurence Fox is paid £250k a year by a mad, right wing, Brexit millionaire nutter. Many of the right wing commentators that appear regularly on GBNews etc (plus some mainstream tv programmes from time to time) work for think tanks based in Tufton Street. These are funded by extreme right multi millionaires, often American, whose identities are kept secret.

Dinahmo

MaizieD

The extreme Right is a force to be reckoned with when you see internatonally .

Usually funded by many of those multimillion or billionaires that most people on Gnet recently defended so vigorously

Apparently Laurence Fox is paid £250k a year by a mad, right wing, Brexit millionaire nutter. Many of the right wing commentators that appear regularly on GBNews etc (plus some mainstream tv programmes from time to time) work for think tanks based in Tufton Street. These are funded by extreme right multi millionaires, often American, whose identities are kept secret.

It’s been interesting to watch ordinary Germans taking a stand against the extreme right this weekend, good for them.

Maggieanne

Casdon, I used to do YouGov surveys until they became impossible to give a correct answer. The surveys were so biased that whatever your opinion, it was twisted to suit whatever they wanted to show the world. Quite nasty really, not to be trusted.

You Gov was founded by Nadhim Zahawi and Stephan Shakespeare ) nee Kukowski) in May 2000. The latter is the former owner of the websites ConservativeHome (now owned by Lord Ashcroft) and PoliticsHome (now owned by Dods Parliamentary Communications Ltd) which he launched in April 2008 after closing down his Internet television channel 18 Doughty Street.

I think I detect a political bias here.

ruthiek

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

And which Conservative MP’s do you think should be called in?

Anniel

I have enjoyed this thread. I think Keir Starmer is sincere if a little wooden. I am a Conservative but freely admit that governments can be in power for too long and the current crop of MPs are a mediocre lot. I think Labour has good intentions but the outcomes have not been good. I speak of the NHS and School#. Building new hospitals was good but not to tie them to PFI because any repairs or maintenance was done by greedy cibstruction companies. Schools were built but teachers are in short supply, Todays teachers are faced with students many of whom do not want to learn and discipline is missing. I was shocked by the person who thought that Ed Davey had not been hit that hard. I think he is toast even in his own party. Where did that poster get their information.? I ma be a Tory but please do not think Tory voters are stupid. Most of us know the party has lost its way. Many of us don’t know how to vote next time. One thing is for sure and if the candidate for Labour in Hampstead and Golders Green is a good choice maybe I coukd be persuaded to vote Labour for the first time, I don’t think it will happen and fear a great many Tory voters will stay at home. If the Tories lose in my constituency that will show the level of dissatisfaction with the Conservative government.

What a fabulously balanced view and I thank you for this. I can only pray that other Conservatives think in a similar way and do vote for whom they believe cares the most about our country and its citizens.

MayBee70

ruthiek

I am afraid there are too many corbinistas still in his team for me ,Angela Rayner and Emily Thornberry to name 2 But then the conservatives are a wet blanket . We need a dominant politician to sort the country out perhaps call the best in from every party

And which Conservative MP’s do you think should be called in?

They could bring back Ken Clarke, the anti Brexit hero, I could cope with him being part of a coalition government.

Cossy look at the opinion polls to see the impact the Ed Davey PO ‘scandal’ has had on the Lib Dem election vote share - none, so far at least.

Flappergirl The Greens in Scotland put forward that from 2025 no one could sell a residential property if it had a gas boiler for heating/cooking. SNP supported it. Only after a massive public protest the current First Minister cancelled it. The Greens definitely live in their own La La Land. Even more so than the rest!

Casdon could you let me know which opinion pols show that Ed Davey has not suffered from the PO debacle? I ask because maybe I have not seen these particular polls? Ed Davey used to be in my local Lib Dem party. I have always thought their greatest strength was in local Council elections and they do a good job. I voted Lib Dem in previous local elections because they listen to residents and get things done. I could not vote for them nationally as we are poles apart.

I don't trust him.

Yes of course Anniel. I use the Sky weekly poll tracker, which gives a running total election percentage prediction based on all the poll results from the previous week. I hope this link will work.
news.sky.com/story/sky-news-poll-tracker-how-are-political-parties-performing-as-an-election-looms-12903488

Thank you Casdon.

Reform on 13%. Tories on 20. Leybur- just an even worse alternative after you get the Tories out. Why 'tactical', surely skulduggery is up to the politicians.

Casdon
I am saying that any leader of Labour will win the next election. Precisely that. It doesn’t matter who the leader is, Labour will win.
With regard to Corbyn, and it’s clearly a moot point because Corbyn is not the Labour Party leader, I think he would have had a much improved chance of winning this time around, had he still been in position.

I should add, with Reform splitting the Conservative vote, it will make a Labour victory even more certain.

maddyone

Casdon
I am saying that any leader of Labour will win the next election. Precisely that. It doesn’t matter who the leader is, Labour will win.
With regard to Corbyn, and it’s clearly a moot point because Corbyn is not the Labour Party leader, I think he would have had a much improved chance of winning this time around, had he still been in position.

I don’t agree with you, I think a lot of people will vote for Labour because they believe Starmer will be a safer pair of hands than the current government, but that those people would not vote Labour if there was a more left wing Labour leader. I may be on my own thinking that, but I doubt it.

The idea Corbyn could win the next election is frankly laughable. He did great damage to the LP. Starmer is steering a cautious path. He and R Reeves are being seen positively by business which must be a posituve\
The world is a different place than in the 1945 period. The parties need to shape up and so far, only Labour is trying to do so

Project Fear, is that the smear campaign being run by the right-wing press?
We should be feeling glad that, should Labour win the GE, the PM will actually be a properly talented person, with a decent line-up of ministers. Even Tory backbenchers lament that the front bench is full of mediocrities.
Lack of charisma? The same was said of Clement Attlee, whose government bequeathed to the nation the welfare state, the NHS and secondary education for all. Some of this is in tatters 70-odd years later, but could be mended. This is not going to happen under the Conservatives as they are at present.