Clapham acid attacker - asylum seeker convicted of sex offence but still granted asylum?

Cossy

I absolutely and completely agree that he, and others seeking asylum, should not be allowed to stay if 1) they are already convicted criminals and 2) if they commit serious or violent crime whilst here either before or after they’re given leave to remain!

But the authorities have lost thousands of these people. Shall we wait until they commit a murder?

Totally agree AGAA4

It might feel as though it would be comfortable to turn the clock back to the time when easy international transport did not exist so immigration was low, but this is the world we live in now. People are aware of other countries via the media and how they operate and make the choice to find somewhere less frightening and dangerous to live. This applies both ways - UK citizens make similar choices and emigrate.

We cannot close our eyes to this and put a blanket ban on immigration. We have a system in place to vet potential immigrants - that is all we can do. Sometimes it will work well; occasionally it will fail. That is simply how life is.

Occasionally these appalling things will happen.

I’m not excusing this man’s actions, it was atrocious! I’m not a left liberal woke snowflake! I’m a person who lives in a multicultural country and agree all those living here now who have been granted leave to remain should keep our laws as should all British citizens, native born or not!

I also agree this man should never have been granted asylum!

Chestnut

Our authorities and home office and govt should be better at their jobs.

Is enough known about him to determine that he actually is mentally ill?
People who live with mental illness find this "defence" insulting.

All those years of funding acceptance and understanding, and removing the stigma, and then it us trotted out as a defence because someone commits a foul crime

Whilst I agree with you Luckygirl3 this man should never have been granted asylum after committing and being convicted of two sexual offences.

these people. - who are they?

How are we to define "these people"?

MissAdventure I haven’t read anywhere that this evil excuse for a human being is mentally ill

Nor me, grannygravy.
I didnt think enough was known about him as yet.

People jump to the conclusion that he is mentally ill as they can't bear the thought that anyone could be this evil.
We do know there are people who are sane and evil.

Luckygirl3

*these people.* - who are they?

How are we to define "these people"?

The group we are talking about, which are immigrants with mental health problems who may be violent or unstable and possibly commit unspeakable crimes. As referenced in the OP. Everyone agrees they shouldn't stay here but unfortunately we don't know how many of them there are or where they are, not until they commit a crime.

The term 'mental health illness' can cover a thousand different things, but the type of illness that concerns us is when people go round attacking or murdering others.

AGAA4

People jump to the conclusion that he is mentally ill as they can't bear the thought that anyone could be this evil.
We do know there are people who are sane and evil.

Unfortunately that is very true.

It has been mentioned in all news reports that I have seen that he was known to his victims…

It's not for me to speculate, but it's clear in my mind who the victim is, and who the children are, to the perpetrator.

But Biglouis no-one is "defending these people" if by that you mean criminals who break our laws. That is indefensible and anyone who does not have British citizenship should be returned to wherever they DO have citizenship for their sentence.

However, if you mean *all these people" who came here seeking asylum for the impossible lives they were living, then how many of them do you think are in prisons? Enough to need more prisons built? I doubt it, but someone will be able to give us statistics. As you say, we have plenty of our own criminals, and there are far more of them in our prisons than there are asylum seekers.

“Pray and stay”. Yeh, right. Loopholes. Inept border control. Immigrants disappearing into the ether - thousands of them. I despair, I really do.

A lot of asylum seekers with mental health problems have been quietly removed from the latest centre at the old RAF barracks in Wethersfield, Essex and put into hotels etc - ie within the community. It is reported that some had tried to commit suicide, even set themselves on fire. I find it worrying that they are not incarcerated securely somewhere where they can undergo proper investigation. Instead they walk among us.

MissAdventure

It's not for me to speculate, but it's clear in my mind who the victim is, and who the children are, to the perpetrator.

Me too

Sago, I totally agree with you.

GermanShepherdsmum: the story about the asylum seeker granted leave to remain because he had a cat is untrue- widely shouted about, but untrue nevertheless.

How many more like him are living amongst us? If he was refused asylum there must have been a good reason for it and he should have been deported from the UK with immediate effect. Instead he is free to stay here and apply a second time, again was refused but no action taken. He finds Christianity for his 3rd attempt and is allowed to stay!!! No wonder immigrants take so long to be dealt with when those being refused are allowed to keep going until they get what they want. £7m a day to house them while they go through the process when that money would be better spent on the problems galore in our country. I fear for my grandchildren, I really do. Never mind, James Cleverley is asking questions so lessons will be learned, won't they?

Aren't they always?
So many lessons learned....
So many of the same situations arising.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6360116/Immigrant-allowed-to-stay-because-of-pet-cat.html

26Luckygirl3

Honestly, no wonder this country is in the state it’s in. Too many ( mostly left wingers / liberals ) making excuses for these scum.

I have seen no-one making excuses for this man's actions.

They are just pointing out that he has not done this dreadful thing because he is an immigrant, but because he is a human being, who is likely mentally ill.

Well he wasn't that mentally ill he managed to fool a priest that he had converted to Christianity, some people/posters are very naive it seems to me, I'm waiting for the poster who usual pops up and says I'd rather have asylum seekers than home grown British men

His behaviour maybe represents what is considered acceptable behaviour towards women by his country of origin and his real religion. I think this is a real problem with permitting so many single men from countries which disrespect women, and with religions which still condone stoning a woman to death for adultery, to live here. Their values and beliefs are poles apart from ours.