Gransnet forums

News & politics

Clapham acid attacker - asylum seeker convicted of sex offence but still granted asylum?

(522 Posts)
Kandinsky Fri 02-Feb-24 08:43:28

What the hell is happening to this country?
Send these scum to Rwanda ASAP.

Totally sick of these violent criminals being allowed to stay here.

Nicenanny3 Sat 03-Feb-24 08:09:51

Show some backbone and vote for the Reform Party.

caknib Sat 03-Feb-24 08:10:00

Just for the record,I most certainly did express sympathy for the victims. It is a hideous and unthinkable crime.

People of all backgrounds sadly,commit crime which are repulsive.

This perpetrator apparently is an Afghan,a manipulator and criminal. The HO is clearly not fit for purpose and he should never have been allowed to apply for asylum.
What about other male Afghans who seek asylum? Are they all equally dangerous? The people who acted as translators for example?

Aveline Sat 03-Feb-24 08:19:43

I'd be interested to know who exactly decides on who can have asylum and who can't. Is it a team of solicitors or a civil service computer algorithm?

Toetoe Sat 03-Feb-24 08:55:22

Each day I hear about such violence happening in this country . Its actually making me feel unwell and deeply fearful for our grandchildren . Broken britain, no longer Great Britain , just england. What on earth do we do

Iam64 Sat 03-Feb-24 08:59:34

If an application is refused, the individual can appeal to a tribunal. They’re led by specialist Immigration Judges. They can and do, ask questions to elicit whether the conversion to Christianity is genuine. As a result, some applicants are turned down.

All this outrage about “do gooders’ is understandably fuelled by this terrible crime and others committed by asylum seekers/people with asylum status. It takes us absolutely no where. Our criminal justice system is falling apart. The prisons over flowing, many offenders especially in women’s prisons should be sentenced to community sentences. Sex offenders imo get away far too lightly, the research is there that confirms the ongoing risks they pose. Violence against women and children is right down the list. White collar ‘crime’ like that the Post Office staff were wrongly convicted of given higher profile. Ludicrous

maddyone Sat 03-Feb-24 09:00:31

Great Britain never meant that Britain was a great country. It meant, and still means that the countries of England, Scotland, and Wales together make Great Britain. In other words, large Britain comprising three smaller countries. With Northern Ireland included, it becomes the United Kingdom.

Galaxy Sat 03-Feb-24 09:00:34

Men

maddyone Sat 03-Feb-24 09:02:04

I agree with you Iam.

Galaxy Sat 03-Feb-24 09:02:15

That was a freudian slip!
Male asylum seekers will obviously be a higher risk than female asylum seekers to sort of answer your question caknib.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 03-Feb-24 09:03:25

caknib

Just for the record,I most certainly did express sympathy for the victims. It is a hideous and unthinkable crime.

People of all backgrounds sadly,commit crime which are repulsive.

This perpetrator apparently is an Afghan,a manipulator and criminal. The HO is clearly not fit for purpose and he should never have been allowed to apply for asylum.
What about other male Afghans who seek asylum? Are they all equally dangerous? The people who acted as translators for example?

You can’t stop someone applying for asylum. But the application can be refused, and in this case obviously should have been. I trust we will hear more about the circumstances in which the third application was granted. It troubles me that we don’t return people to Afghanistan - so what do we do with them? Simply allow them to pretend they have become Christian (which would also preclude deportation to any Muslim country) and let them stay? Men who have grown up with the Taliban regime are in my view potentially very dangerous - as this man has proved with sexual offences and now this terrible attack.

Galaxy Sat 03-Feb-24 09:03:37

And I agree completely that minimising crimes such as flashing leads to very dangerous situations particularly for women.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 03-Feb-24 09:05:33

Absolutely.

Aveline Sat 03-Feb-24 09:05:34

So the decision to allow this man remain probably was due to one person? This judge? Wonder how he sleeps at night. Maybe this awful case will give such judges some pause for thought? I do hope so.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 03-Feb-24 09:07:53

No, I don’t think, from what I have read, that his application was granted on appeal. I understand he made two applications which were refused, and then a third which was granted because he had become a Christian. So that would have been dealt with by a civil servant.

maddyone Sat 03-Feb-24 09:33:58

Germanshepherdsmum

No, I don’t think, from what I have read, that his application was granted on appeal. I understand he made two applications which were refused, and then a third which was granted because he had become a Christian. So that would have been dealt with by a civil servant.

I wonder if the civil servant knew he’d been refused twice and was a convicted criminal of sexual offences.

I wonder why civil servants are even making these decisions. Their own prejudices will more than likely come into play. If they are very sympathetic to asylum seekers, maybe that will make it impossible to make an unbiased decision, based on the facts.

I wonder why asylum seekers are allowed to continue to make repeated applications, when they have already been refused asylum.

I wonder why asylum seekers who have been denied asylum in Britain, are not removed quickly, back to their country of origin.

I wonder why if they have no documents, they are not sent back to the country they claim to be from.

cakmib Sat 03-Feb-24 09:38:31

wonder away....the HO is a joke, not fit for purpose.

Aveline Sat 03-Feb-24 09:39:48

I'm certainly wondering. I hope decision makers are too.

Kandinsky Sat 03-Feb-24 09:40:59

Because there’s too many people in this country sticking up for them, fighting the system to keep them here, & basically bending over backwards for them.

Christ knows why.

maddyone Sat 03-Feb-24 09:43:36

cakmib

wonder away....the HO is a joke, not fit for purpose.

Well cakmib, I’m certain to do just that, because whatever is said in Parliament, nothing whatsoever will change.

Freya5 Sat 03-Feb-24 09:47:01

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

In fact I just heard on Sky News that the vicar of Wethersfield, where an asylum centre is situated, baptised 20 men in the last week. It beggars belief.

Amazing!
Have they seen the light or is he a gullible fool?

I think the answer is the latter. You can't just turn up and ask for Baptism, it is a long process, this evil doer must be a very accomplished liar. Aided by his lawyer maybe. Who knows,but these aiders and abetters have a lot to answer for.

tickingbird Sat 03-Feb-24 09:52:37

Elegran

tickingbird
Yes we do have plenty of homegrown criminals but that is absolutely no reason to import more.
It is difficult to identify the criminals before they commit any crimes here.

Not difficult once he’s been convicted of sexual offences committed here BEFORE being granted asylum!

maddyone Sat 03-Feb-24 09:54:01

This priest is not doing his job. It is almost unheard of for adults to be baptised, unless they belong to the Baptist branch of Christianity, and this priest was apparently CofE. The Church of England baptises babies and children. Adults are confirmed.
He is on his own little mission to thwart any asylum seeker being refused asylum. He cannot possibly know the background of this number of people in any detail, and no doubt he doesn’t care. He’s making a mockery of the church. These people cannot be genuine believers. They are using this stupid man for their own ends.

maddyone Sat 03-Feb-24 09:54:46

tickingbird

Elegran

tickingbird
Yes we do have plenty of homegrown criminals but that is absolutely no reason to import more.
It is difficult to identify the criminals before they commit any crimes here.

Not difficult once he’s been convicted of sexual offences committed here BEFORE being granted asylum!

Quite.

Freya5 Sat 03-Feb-24 09:55:47

Casdon

There is an average of over one attack every day in the UK. What I find heartbreaking is that hardly any of the other attacks get any airtime, although they destroy peoples lives in exactly the same way this attack has done. Yes, one attack would have been prevented if this man hadn’t been granted asylum in the UK, but what about the other 400+ that haven’t even hit people s consciousness? Double standards at at work.

Sorry but totally disagree, listen to local news expecially, attacks are news, and appeals made. They don't all hit the London scene, this was a brutal attack, children maimed for life, the fact that it was perpetrated by someone who should not have been here makes it worse, because this one could have been prevented, couldn't it.

tickingbird Sat 03-Feb-24 10:00:31

I’ve seen nothing on the news regarding this man’s mental health. Just because he’s vile doesn’t automatically mean he’s mentally ill.

Posting instances of white British crimes is pure deflection. We’re a white British country - mostly - so there will be plenty of crime committed by the natives. Per capita there’s a high percentage of crime committed by newcomers. As for mentioning the Kray twins - that’s laughable and really scraping the barrel. They wouldn’t last 5 minutes with the newly arrived gangs running the drugs trade, people trafficking, prostitution etc.

This man quite obviously hasn’t converted to Christianity with genuine faith. He’s been described as a good Muslim by the local butcher and the fact that he hasn’t been caught strongly suggests he’s being helped, no doubt by his good Muslim friends who agree with his actions.