Clapham acid attacker - asylum seeker convicted of sex offence but still granted asylum?

The Anglican Church, Confirmation is to repeat your Baptism vows. I was baptised age 10, confirmed age 12

Adults are baptised in the CofE maddy, if they were not baptised as children. Confirmation follows baptism. What I can’t understand is why the clergy are baptising men of non-Christian origin who I would very much doubt can demonstrate much, if any, knowledge of Christianity and the Bible. Don’t they realise that they are being used and Christianity abused? I wonder who arranges these baptisms? The bent lawyers?

maddyone

This priest is not doing his job. It is almost unheard of for adults to be baptised, unless they belong to the Baptist branch of Christianity, and this priest was apparently CofE. The Church of England baptises babies and children. Adults are confirmed.
He is on his own little mission to thwart any asylum seeker being refused asylum. He cannot possibly know the background of this number of people in any detail, and no doubt he doesn’t care. He’s making a mockery of the church. These people cannot be genuine believers. They are using this stupid man for their own ends.

Yes, the C of E does baptise adults. My father was baptised in his late 50s, having been brought up as a Baptist and my BIL was baptised as an adult; we'd asked him to be Godfather to our baby, he found out he'd never been baptised and of course it was a requirement.

However, this number of people in one small area who have suddenly decided they want to convert from Islam to become Christians surely should have run alarm bells?

Germanshepherdsmum

Adults are baptised in the CofE maddy, if they were not baptised as children. Confirmation follows baptism. What I can’t understand is why the clergy are baptising men of non-Christian origin who I would very much doubt can demonstrate much, if any, knowledge of Christianity and the Bible. Don’t they realise that they are being used and Christianity abused? I wonder who arranges these baptisms? The bent lawyers?

I presume they had to attend Bible classes.

We had to do that before being confirmed as children.

Germanshepherdsmum

No, I don’t think, from what I have read, that his application was granted on appeal. I understand he made two applications which were refused, and then a third which was granted because he had become a Christian. So that would have been dealt with by a civil servant.

No doubt, if caught and sent back to where he came from, he would soon convert to Islam again if Christians are persecuted there.

Why did he leave, I wonder? It wasn't because he already was a Christian and persecuted, we know that.

I'm sure they would happily attend bible classes to get asylum. I don't believe being a Christian should aid their claim to asylum.

It's all grist to the mill imo. The more "converts" any religion can claim is what they want. The CofE is not actually thriving, we are led to believe, so any increase to the flock is seen as a lifeline to maybe keeping some churches going.
Bogus or sincere, religious convertion should be removed from the process of trying to gain admission into a Country.

I was baptised as a baby but had to attend classes before being confirmed despite being a regular churchgoer. Perhaps these vicars hold some sort of bible classes for asylum seekers but how many of them can speak enough English to understand? I can’t believe that these vicars can’t see that they are being used, and their religion abused. Perhaps it’s just a few who know perfectly well why they have all these baptism candidates and that the baptism ceremony will not make them convert to Christianity. I don’t believe that becoming a Christian after arriving here should enable any asylum claim to succeed. It’s such an obvious ploy.

I don’t believe for one moment that this evil man converted to Christianity Callistemon. His butcher described him as a good Muslim and no Christian would carry out such an attack. Doubtless he is being sheltered by other ‘good Muslims’. When he’s found they will be arrested for assisting an offender. I sincerely hope that his grant of asylum will be revoked, as is possible where it is found to have been obtained by misrepresentation and where certain crimes are committed.

The good Muslims I know would never do such a thing either.

It's an evil act, he has a previous conviction and obviously knows how to work the system.

His brother is also over here. Perhaps he is also a Christian convert too. None of them belong here and if it is easy for him to go back to get a wife as reported then clearly he doesn’t need asylum!

The west left Afghanistan with little warning. It’s a terrible place with the Taliban in charge. Little wonder it’s people want out. I’m not defending this man, just in case anyone sees this comment as ‘do-gooding’

Iam64

The west left Afghanistan with little warning. It’s a terrible place with the Taliban in charge. Little wonder it’s people want out. I’m not defending this man, just in case anyone sees this comment as ‘do-gooding’

Ezedi arrived in the UK in the back of a lorry in 2016.
The NATO RSM forces, which included THE US, UK and other NATO countries, didn't leave Afghanistan until 2021.
Following the completion of the withdrawal of all RSM forces in August 2021, the Mission was terminated in early September 2021.

Callistemon
Yes I know that all churches, including the CofE baptise adults, that’s why I said it is almost unheard of, because it is indeed fairly rare. However some adults do get baptised as you mention, and perhaps the most famous one of all to be baptised as an adult was Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex. She was baptised and then immediately confirmed according to what we were told. However twenty men in one go, no, it’s clearly not correct. The priest is using his position to enact his political views, which is a misuse of his position.

Yes, I agree, it is unusual and the priest was either gullible or complicit.

He must have known Ezedi was a sex offender too, but of course, the Church welcomes repentant sinners!

I forgot about Meghan.

If asylum seekers wish to become Christians they should be able to AFTER they are granted asylum. I wonder how many would?

Germanshepherdsmum

Adults are baptised in the CofE maddy, if they were not baptised as children. Confirmation follows baptism. What I can’t understand is why the clergy are baptising men of non-Christian origin who I would very much doubt can demonstrate much, if any, knowledge of Christianity and the Bible. Don’t they realise that they are being used and Christianity abused? I wonder who arranges these baptisms? The bent lawyers?

Yes as I said, I do know some, a few, adults are baptised, but the CofE church normally baptises infants.
I can’t understand either why priests are baptising men of the Islamic faith into the CofE. They will have no knowledge of the Bible, or Lord’s Prayer, or Christ’s teachings. They are making a mockery of the Christian religion and The Church.
I realise that many Jews were either baptised by sympathetic priests in WW2, or given the baptismal certificates of dead people, or even forged baptismal certificates, but that was to save their lives, not to cheat the system. From the memoires I’ve read, it seems many Jews in possession of false certificates, were very afraid of being asked to recite The Lord’s Prayer, because they simply didn’t know it, and although they went to church sometimes, in order that people would see them there and assume they were Christian, they were frightened of being found out because they were unsure what to do, and had to watch the congregation and try to follow them.

The case clearly needs reviewing but the speed and ferocity with which the anti-immigrant and racist lobby has sprung into action is appalling. Hard cases make bad law. One robin does not a winter make.

It's not one, though, is it.

Are you suggesting that posters are racist Grantanow, or are you saying that media and public reaction is racist?
I’m not in the UK at present and although I read Gransnet, I don’t know what the public reaction to this case has been.

woodenspoon

His brother is also over here. Perhaps he is also a Christian convert too. None of them belong here and if it is easy for him to go back to get a wife as reported then clearly he doesn’t need asylum!

Well said woodenspoon! 👏👏

Also, turns out the woman he attacked (and the children) are known to him. Now they live 30l mikes away. He held down a job in Newcastle. Did she move 300 mikes away to escape from him? She’s telling the Police her story. There will be more to this than meets the eye.

Some comments are racist that’s for sure.

It's hard not to be racist given the circumstances of this case - and the many others involving Muslim men.

He is still eluding the police, wonder if he getting help from someone.

Chestnut

I think we all shuddered when we heard he was an asylum seeker Cossy because it's a story that is repeating over and over again.

Bring the world into your country and you bring the problems of the world with them.

We are bringing the whole world into our tiny country and that will eventually be our downfall.

People who jump in boats and risk their lives may be genuine asylum seekers seeking a new life, or they may be desperate criminals who have nothing to lose, escaping their old life. Then they are eventually lost in the system and who knows where they end up. There are thousands of them with mental problems and the authorities have lost track of them (this was admitted on the news last night).

Those on here who are defending these people need to wake up and realise what is happening. Until then you will find yourself shuddering over and over again every time one of these horrors is reported.

We are importing medieval values , misogyny, intimidation, it has been going on since Blair opened the doors, since Starmer defended foreign criminals . People think it will be better under Labour, it most definitely will be worse than it is now.

Iam64

Some comments are racist that’s for sure.

As a matter of interest and not argument; without naming specific posters what comments do you consider racist?

I haven’t read them all so I’ve quite possibly missed some but I, personally, haven’t read any. Being anti mass immigration of cultures totally different and in many cases opposed to our own isn’t racist.