Another person is mauled to death

MayBEe - bitches certainly do attack people who seem to be threatening their puppies, especially in the first couple of weeks. It isn't neccessarily a sign of bad temperament. If you are ever visiting a house that is home to a bitch with a newborn litter you need to be very cautious. (they are not so protective when not on home ground). It's a strong parenting instinct. I know these pups were older and I also agree with the PTS lobby in this case, but I can't believe the dog's owner went out & told his visitor to prod at the pups with a broom while he was away! So ignorant as well as anti-social. Hope the young boy has a lot of love and is resilient, I thought his aunt looked a lovely woman.

Gillycats

MayBee70 she wasn’t approaching the puppies she was trying to stop them fighting using a broom! Also it’s well known that many breeders will use someone else’s home/premises not necessarily using the puppies parents. Apparently these poor dogs and puppies were kept in appalling conditions. The sooner there is a major clampdown on breeding animals the better. This stupid ruling by the government is beyond useless. Humans are the problem, not dogs.

As instructed by the breeder, her SIL.

Yes, I agree, this needs to be clamped down completely.
Puppies born a few weeks ago will now be in new homes, with possibly irresponsible owners, perhaps registered (perhaps not) and will live for possibly 12 or 14 years.

They should not be allowed to breed but we know how hopeless it can be keeping tabs on determined crooks.

Identifying the problems in identifying xl or other bull breeds is relevant but it doesn’t help with the real problem of keeping the dogs from killing people. Nine people killed by xl bullies since 2021, 10 now if we include this grandmother.
That’s a significant statistic.
It’s inevitable the anti social types who breed and make money out of dogs bred to be status symbols, to intimidate and terrorise. It’s well and good to try to simplify and deflect the risks in these dogs but it would be irresponsible to do nothing,

My trainer friends share the concerns about attempting to ban the breed but they’re United in identifying the breed as dangerkus

varian

This is utterly horrifying. I do worry for my eighty-something friend whose family moved in with her then bought an American Bully, which she thinks is a sweet puppy, albeit a very large and fierce looking animal.

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TurtleDove

She had complained about them before, there were two full grown dogs and a few puppies, apparently she went to visit her family and tried to separate the fighting puppies (that gives out warning signs when little puppies are fighting each other) and she tried to separate them with a stick so the two big dogs attacked her, they must have been protecting the litter. One says they were part XL Bullies but the police are checking to make sure, both the male dogs were killed at the scene.

We have alwas had German Shepherd dogs and they are the softest, loyal pets you can have. One day our 7 year old German Shepherd snapped at me, he had never, ever done that before so I took him straight to the vets and explained what had happened. They did a check up and found his heart wasn't beating properly so did a scan and found he had cancer around his heart.

My lovely pet was very ill and must have been in so much pain to make him snap at me and sadly I had to have him put to sleep the same day. |That is what happens in so many cases, they cannot tell you when they are ill or have pain so many dogs are treated as being dangerous if they bite someone but it is all down to them being very ill or in pain.

I often wonder with all these attacks by XL Bully dogs if their short legs cannot cope with their large head and massive muscular bodies so they are in pain with aching joints.

Thank you for sharing this. I have never been able to understand why our lovely retriever dog bit our ds when he was 4 years old and they were both lying in front of the fire together which they had done a hundred times before. She suddenly snapped him under the chin. We had her put down the following day as heartbreaking as it was, but the wet said no choice once done it could easily happen again. My poor late husband who held her being injected, took ages to get over it. Perhaps she was in pain too, I now wonder!!

Well said bluebelle.absolutely no defence of these horrific dogs and owner is valid .People doing it on this thread are stark raving bonkers and that’s putting it mildly .

Should definitely get done for this, they knew the new ruling regarding these dogs, there's no excuse, they let these dogs breed when this is against the law and had no control obviously! It's not the dogs fault, the fault is with the owners who disregard everything!! They never were going to comply!

Sago

If there was a medication that had caused as many deaths it would be withdrawn.
These dogs need to be euthanised.

Agree. Not registering, euthanising.

It is no good saying it is not the dogs, it is the owners. All the various breeds of dog have developed because of selective breeding for specific traits, ohysical or mental, and XL bullies and other banned breeds have been bred to be aggressive, and are owned by people who value and encourage those charatcteristics. No one ever acquired an XL bully, for its gentle domestic characteristics.

The only way to deal with this breed of dog is to eliminate it, by stopping it breeding and putting down the others.

M0nica

It is no good saying it is not the dogs, it is the owners. All the various breeds of dog have developed because of selective breeding for specific traits, ohysical or mental, and XL bullies and other banned breeds have been bred to be aggressive, and are owned by people who value and encourage those charatcteristics. No one ever acquired an XL bully, for its gentle domestic characteristics.

The only way to deal with this breed of dog is to eliminate it, by stopping it breeding and putting down the others.

The problem is that it’s not a recognised breed. Many owners have already registered their dogs just by the confirmation standard issued by the government. These dogs may well be good old Heinz 57s but they fall under the description given. The police have not yet confirmed the breed of the dogs involved because it’s not an easy matter.

The risk that just one dog could be put down which might not be a potential killer is worth taking for the safety of the public.

Most of the XL Bully type dogs are descended from the one killer dog from the USA.

They are used as threatening potential weapons by some owners and other owners who think they would make lovely family pets are obviously too stupid to be in charge of one.

Callistemon21

The risk that just one dog could be put down which might not be a potential killer is worth taking for the safety of the public.

Think it would be far more than one.
They suspect half of the UK actual XL bullies are decended from this one dog he must have been busy
I am not defending the action of XL bullies but just stating that some dogs well may be caught up in this bully description who have no connection whatsoever. I have no problem with the legislation that has come in but I would find it very disturbing that 100,000 dogs could all be put down because of their physical appearance. Thankfully that won't happen.

Rosie, that dog didn’t sire 100,000 his offspring did. His temperament was aggressive yet he was used at stuf

rosie1959

Callistemon21

The risk that just one dog could be put down which might not be a potential killer is worth taking for the safety of the public.

Think it would be far more than one.
They suspect half of the UK actual XL bullies are decended from this one dog he must have been busy
I am not defending the action of XL bullies but just stating that some dogs well may be caught up in this bully description who have no connection whatsoever. I have no problem with the legislation that has come in but I would find it very disturbing that 100,000 dogs could all be put down because of their physical appearance. Thankfully that won't happen.

Kimbo, renowned for its size and strength in the XL Bully community, is responsible for half of British 'stud' dogs currently on the market.

Inbreeding means the genetic pool is very small too.

Callistemon21

rosie1959

Callistemon21

The risk that just one dog could be put down which might not be a potential killer is worth taking for the safety of the public.

Think it would be far more than one.
They suspect half of the UK actual XL bullies are decended from this one dog he must have been busy
I am not defending the action of XL bullies but just stating that some dogs well may be caught up in this bully description who have no connection whatsoever. I have no problem with the legislation that has come in but I would find it very disturbing that 100,000 dogs could all be put down because of their physical appearance. Thankfully that won't happen.

Kimbo, renowned for its size and strength in the XL Bully community, is responsible for half of British 'stud' dogs currently on the market.

Inbreeding means the genetic pool is very small too.

And apart from anything else, inbreeding can cause a whole host of problems on its own.

Iam64

Rosie, that dog didn’t sire 100,000 his offspring did. His temperament was aggressive yet he was used at stuf

Sorry that was a bit tongue in cheek for such a serious matter
But I still think stopping home breeders and making it illegal to sell pets online ect is more the way to go because if its not the XL it will be some other breed concoction.
Registered breeders and Charities only.
Dogs suffer so much at the hands of these idiots

Apologies for taking it too seriously. I’m with you on strengthening the law around breeding. A neighbour’s cockapoo just produced its 2nd litter, the mother of the litter is only 2 years old. The owner has 3 small doodle dogs, if she does walk them, they’re pulling ahead yapping at anything that moves. The owner sees it as easy money and knows nothing about dogs

Apologies for taking it too seriously. I’m with you on strengthening the law around breeding. A neighbour’s cockapoo just produced its 2nd litter, the mother of the litter is only 2 years old. The owner has 3 small doodle dogs, if she does walk them, they’re pulling ahead yapping at anything that moves. The owner sees it as easy money and knows nothing about dogs

Exactly this. It should be illegal to breed dogs unless a registered breeder and it should be illegal to advertise pups on the likes of Gumtree etc.

If this breed is removed, then people can't own them, and there won't be the chance that they could "turn".

That's the short and long of it.

As far as I can see any dog, regardless of 'official' breed, that looks and has the physical characteristics of an XL Bully, is likely to have the same behavioural characteristics and should not be allowed to breed and, ideally, should be put down.

Iam64

Apologies for taking it too seriously. I’m with you on strengthening the law around breeding. A neighbour’s cockapoo just produced its 2nd litter, the mother of the litter is only 2 years old. The owner has 3 small doodle dogs, if she does walk them, they’re pulling ahead yapping at anything that moves. The owner sees it as easy money and knows nothing about dogs

Totally agree. Far too many people breeding all kinds of puppies these days - purely for the money!

The owner is now saying he wants all these dogs wiped out. He hadn’t thought they were dangerous and thought the government were being stupid. H sadly he has learnt the hard way and his son is probably traumatised for life.

Iam64

Apologies for taking it too seriously. I’m with you on strengthening the law around breeding. A neighbour’s cockapoo just produced its 2nd litter, the mother of the litter is only 2 years old. The owner has 3 small doodle dogs, if she does walk them, they’re pulling ahead yapping at anything that moves. The owner sees it as easy money and knows nothing about dogs

Poor little thing.
It should be illegal.

25Avalon

The owner is now saying he wants all these dogs wiped out. He hadn’t thought they were dangerous and thought the government were being stupid. H sadly he has learnt the hard way and his son is probably traumatised for life.

The prosecution will enjoy cross examining him.