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BlueBelle Mon 05-Feb-24 18:01:42

It’s just been on the news that Charles has cancer and is not taking any duties for now

Callistemon21 Fri 09-Feb-24 10:58:55

Jaberwok

Well, I agree with Annie. My mother remarried in 1947 in church, ( she was a widow) and wore a suit , can't remember the colour and only have black and white photos to look at. Virginal white would have been inappropriate to say the least, especially with her 4 year old two pews back. My daughter, divorced, married again in church, but wore a very pretty blue dress with flowers in her hair. Again, pure white? Err, No. She most certainly was not asked anything about the relationship with her new husband by our Anglican Priest beforehand. Why would a Priest do this when the people concerned could easily lie?.something he couldn't possibly know. A Priest can use his/her discretion, but not for anything specific.

At one of the weddings I mentioned in my above post, the bride wore a flouncy white dress and veil, it was a wonderful wedding, both of them had been divorced.
They divorced later as well.

Glorianny Fri 09-Feb-24 10:56:05

Jaberwok

Well, I agree with Annie. My mother remarried in 1947 in church, ( she was a widow) and wore a suit , can't remember the colour and only have black and white photos to look at. Virginal white would have been inappropriate to say the least, especially with her 4 year old two pews back. My daughter, divorced, married again in church, but wore a very pretty blue dress with flowers in her hair. Again, pure white? Err, No. She most certainly was not asked anything about the relationship with her new husband by our Anglican Priest beforehand. Why would a Priest do this when the people concerned could easily lie?.something he couldn't possibly know. A Priest can use his/her discretion, but not for anything specific.

I posted the link with the relevant information.
If you choose to believe inaccuracies that is up to you.
Of course a priest doesn't have to ask. Of course people will lie.
But C&Cs relationship was public knowledge.
Some priests in the Church have stricter views than others.
It is up to them if they choose to undertake these ceremonies.
If C&C had married in church there could well have been a split in the church. So they married in a registry office and had a blessing.

Callistemon21 Fri 09-Feb-24 10:55:16

Glorianny

Anniebach

I have no need to Google , you are not a member of the Anglican Church so suppose you need to

Actually I was brought up as C of E. And because of family circumstances I have explored both C of E and RC practices.
It doesn't change anything anyway. Advice to C of E clergy is to question previous involvement and the effect on the first marriage.
Why else do you think Charles and Camilla were married in a registry office?

Well, obviously because his mother was Supreme Head of the Church of England so, whatever the relaxing of the rules and rights or wrongs of the situation, it was felt perspicacious that he and Camilla marry in a small civil ceremony.
No doubt this was discussed in depth with the Archbishop of Canterbury too and a blessing followed.

I've been to at least three weddings in church where one or both of the people getting married had been divorced. (One twice.)

Jaberwok Fri 09-Feb-24 10:44:10

Well, I agree with Annie. My mother remarried in 1947 in church, ( she was a widow) and wore a suit , can't remember the colour and only have black and white photos to look at. Virginal white would have been inappropriate to say the least, especially with her 4 year old two pews back. My daughter, divorced, married again in church, but wore a very pretty blue dress with flowers in her hair. Again, pure white? Err, No. She most certainly was not asked anything about the relationship with her new husband by our Anglican Priest beforehand. Why would a Priest do this when the people concerned could easily lie?.something he couldn't possibly know. A Priest can use his/her discretion, but not for anything specific.

Glorianny Thu 08-Feb-24 20:08:42

Anniebach

I have no need to Google , you are not a member of the Anglican Church so suppose you need to

Actually I was brought up as C of E. And because of family circumstances I have explored both C of E and RC practices.
It doesn't change anything anyway. Advice to C of E clergy is to question previous involvement and the effect on the first marriage.
Why else do you think Charles and Camilla were married in a registry office?

Iam64 Thu 08-Feb-24 19:38:19

Allsorts

People are entitled to have their own opinions on things without getting personal.
I think H and M have behaved shamelessly in most things, no doubt both grandfathers will never see their gc.

I don’t see any of the clear differences of opinion here as ‘getting personal’. Disagreements happen, posters express their views - and don’t fall out (usually)

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 19:34:32

The Queen , during a public engagement today as said,
The King is doing extremely well under the circumstances.

nadateturbe Thu 08-Feb-24 19:31:43

Well I know threads digress, but.....lol.

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 19:28:22

I have no need to Google , you are not a member of the Anglican Church so suppose you need to

Glorianny Thu 08-Feb-24 19:23:08

Anniebach

Glorianny obviously you are not a member of the Anglican Church

Or perhaps you don't know the rules of the Cof E as well as you imagine
Advice to clergy about permitting a second marriage in church
Would permitting the new marriage be tantamount to consecrating an old infidelity?
‰ ^While it would be unreasonable to expect that the couple should not even have known each other during the former marriage(s), was the relationship between the applicants – so
far as you can tell from the information made available to you - a direct cause of the breakdown of the former marriage?^
www.facultyoffice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Divorce-HoB-Advice.pdf

Callistemon21 Thu 08-Feb-24 19:19:19

Casdon

Glorianny

Casdon

MissInterpreted

Anniebach

Harry told the world male members of his family married to suit the mould but he married for love

I'm no fan of Harry (or any of the RF, if I'm being totally honest) but I think there's more than a degree of truth in that particular statement.

I don’t think there is. If that were true why did Charles marry Camilla?

Because the first wife proved more difficult to shape to the mould than was expected.

Your logic defeats me as ever. So Charles married Camilla, a divorced and independent woman, who still now retains her own home, and who had two children, against the wishes of many, because he had failed to mould Diana to conform.

Casdon
😂😂😂

Glorianny Thu 08-Feb-24 19:18:43

Casdon

I give up (again) Glorianny, you are now tacitly admitting that Charles did marry Camilla for love.

One marriage to fit the mould -supporting Harry's theory. Then the second for love

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 19:12:05

Thought you had

MissInterpreted Thu 08-Feb-24 19:10:52

Anniebach

Women do wear what they want, I have never met a divorcee who chose a white gown with veil , seen cream dresses and suits, flowers in hair, no bridal veil , Iam* has seen several who did

I certainly have.

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 19:03:42

I doubt anyone assumed a white gown and veil meant the bride was a virgin, women themselves chose not to wear white with veil when aged 36/37

Iam64 Thu 08-Feb-24 18:53:21

Yes, the white dress and veil were symbols of virginity. In some cultures, it was tradition to show bloodstained sheets as proof of the bride’s virginity.

It’s so common now for the house deposit to be the key thing to be saved for, bank of mum and dad helping with that, rather than cash towards the cost of the wedding. Then children, then the wedding. May seem all upside down to the more traditional but there it is,

Allsorts Thu 08-Feb-24 18:51:24

People are entitled to have their own opinions on things without getting personal.
I think H and M have behaved shamelessly in most things, no doubt both grandfathers will never see their gc.

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 18:50:48

JaneJudge me too

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 18:50:07

Women do wear what they want, I have never met a divorcee who chose a white gown with veil , seen cream dresses and suits, flowers in hair, no bridal veil , Iam* has seen several who did

JaneJudge Thu 08-Feb-24 18:49:37

I was a very young bride and wore ivory. I told my whole family I wasn;t a virgin shock

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 08-Feb-24 18:47:44

I think so, Annie. When I remarried, a divorcee after a very long and very unhappy marriage, I wore a cream suit and cream flowered headpiece. I wouldn’t have dreamed of wearing a white dress and certainly not a veil. White is, in my view, a symbol of virginity. I was entitled to wear a white wedding dress and veil at my first wedding, but not my second.

MissInterpreted Thu 08-Feb-24 18:46:05

Iam64

Several couples in our adult children’s friendship group have married in recent years. Big celebrations, bride in beautiful ivory or white gowns and ver often the couples children as bridesmaids or pages.
Thank goodness it isn’t 1953 - I liked Meghans dress and honestly, what reason could there be to criticise her for wearing white. Divorcee - who cares

Exactly. It's their wedding, they should wear whatever they want. Thankfully most of us have moved on from the view that a woman should be a virgin and wear white on her wedding day.

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 18:42:15

Seems GSM we belong in 1953 , virginal white plus veil !

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 08-Feb-24 18:40:28

I must be very old fashioned, thinking it inappropriate for a divorcee to wear white - and a veil, which is a symbol of virginity.

Anniebach Thu 08-Feb-24 18:36:49

I am giving my opinion as someone who was flower arranger
and welcomer in an Anglican Cathedral for over 50 years , you have your opinion I have mine