King Charles

Think he’s received 7000.

Having a right Royal Chuckle reading some of the thousands of get well cards sent to him!

Good to see the King meeting Rishi Sunak today.

Yes, I thought so too. It’s good that he was well enough to attend Church today.

I thought it was nice that Charles acknowledged and thanked the public for their support.

Yes, he does love being in the country

Pleased to see the King attending church at Sandringham this morning.

(Getting the thread back to the main subject).

these posts aren't about King Charles anymore but very interesting so why doesn't someone open a new thread on the new subject?

Not more honest but more difficult to lie

I was just thinking that in the past (when you watch programmes like Heir Hunters) there were quite a few bigamous marriages and usually in churches. Presumably the people involved just lied about their status. Maybe it's one area where we are a bit more honest than we used to be.

A devout Catholic friend tried many years ago to get his marriage annulled so he could remarry in the Catholic Church and it took many years of interviews, canon lawyers, etc., without success. One of the Kennedys at the same time got their annulment from the Pope quickly with little fuss. At the time our friend generously remarked that Kennedy likely had a very good case. Our friend gave up and remarried in a civil ceremony.

Daddima

Callistemon21

My friend married a divorced man; she is Roman Catholic therefore has been living in sin for 50 years and their son is illegitimate in the eyes of her church. She cannot take communion.
She goes to an Anglican Church on the occasions when she needs to attend anything.

Presumably these rules were made up by men in charge of canon laws.

It depends where her husband’s first marriage took place. If he was a baptised Christian ( not necessarily Catholic), and was married in a Christian ceremony, then he was married in the eyes of the Catholic church. If it was a civil ceremony in a registrar’s office, then he was never married in the eyes of the Catholic church.

Interesting.
I would think he got married in an Anglican church but I'm not sure.

Grantanow

Perhaps in some cases it was 'don't ask, don't tell'?

If it was in the C of E, then the marital status of each has to be declared on the Banns form - Single (formerly Bachelor/Spinster), Widow(er), Previous Marriage Dissolved.

I can't remember ever hearing the status read out in church when the Banns were called but it used to be.

The status is also entered in the marriage registers and on the marriage certificate.

Callistemon21

My friend married a divorced man; she is Roman Catholic therefore has been living in sin for 50 years and their son is illegitimate in the eyes of her church. She cannot take communion.
She goes to an Anglican Church on the occasions when she needs to attend anything.

Presumably these rules were made up by men in charge of canon laws.

It depends where her husband’s first marriage took place. If he was a baptised Christian ( not necessarily Catholic), and was married in a Christian ceremony, then he was married in the eyes of the Catholic church. If it was a civil ceremony in a registrar’s office, then he was never married in the eyes of the Catholic church.

My friend married a divorced man; she is Roman Catholic therefore has been living in sin for 50 years and their son is illegitimate in the eyes of her church. She cannot take communion.
She goes to an Anglican Church on the occasions when she needs to attend anything.

Presumably these rules were made up by men in charge of canon laws.

I think nowadays anyone can take communion, whether confirmed or not.

Being divorced certainly wouldn’t matter.

No one seems bothered about it.

absent

I know I am an unrepentant pedant, but I have to post that nobody in the UK gets married in a registry office. They are married in a registrar's office. A registry office – a now archaic concept – was a place to seek housemaids, parlour maids, footmen, butlers, lady's maids, kitchen maids, cooks, nursery maids and whatever other servants ultra rich people required.

I think you have been overly pedantic on this one. The correct term is Register Office as per gov.uk not Registrar's Office.

It's interesting isn't it that things happened when individual vicars took decisions which were quite ahead of the rest of the church.
I suppose if it was someone high profile like Princess Anne there was less chance of keeping things quiet.

In my teens I was aware that one married couple at our church didn’t take communion, because one of them had been divorced and had a former spouse still living. So within my lifetime, it wasn’t just that marriage after divorce couldn’t happen in church: it disbarred you from receiving the sacrament

Only in 2002 ..... was church marriage after divorce allowed; but only in ‘exceptional’ circumstances, respecting clergy consciences.

shared-conversations.com/2023/11/14/no-more-delays-what-the-history-of-the-remarriage-of-divorced-people-says-to-the-llf-debate/

Thank you, explains,

I can send you a copy of my marriage certificate if you like, Anniebach. I resent the implication that I might be telling an untruth.

At the time of our marriage, it was within the remit of individual clergy to make their own decisions on this according to their conscience. Our vicar believed that anybody who wished to access the church should be allowed to do so. He knew my husband and I because we had both had reason to work with him over the years and he was well aware that we had both been married before. To be honest, when we went to see him about being married in church, we weren't expecting to be allowed to but we knew he had married other couples where one person had been divorced so we thought we'd give it a try. My husband actually questioned him on why he was allowing it (I was kicking him under the table) and he said that if you barred people from weddings and Christenings, they stood little chance of finding God.
Our vicar was a true Christian who was allowing the homeless to access his church way before other clergy were allowing it. He was the sort of person who made a positive impression on just about everybody he met including the most ardent disbelievers. He was a very big loss to our community when he retired.

I think you’re probably right Grantanow. The family weren’t church goers at all, but as the groom was from Cheshire, divorced by his wife years earlier, with no children, I suspect his marital status wasn’t queried nor any information freely given.

This is an interesting speech which covers many of the questions and the history of divorce and remarriage
shared-conversations.com/2023/11/14/no-more-delays-what-the-history-of-the-remarriage-of-divorced-people-says-to-the-llf-debate/
Briefly before 1978 you needed the permission of the bishop.

Perhaps in some cases it was 'don't ask, don't tell'?

My Sister in Law was married to a divorced man, in her local CofE church in 1970.