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Peace deal: dare we hope?

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maddyone Tue 06-Feb-24 23:05:44

I’ve just seen it reported online that there is a possibility of a peace deal in Israel. I can only go by what I see online because as I’ve said, I’m currently in New Zealand. You are all probably able to see and hear much more detailed reporting than I am.
Will there be a peace deal? What do you think? Can we hope?

mae13 Thu 08-Feb-24 03:50:14

Sorry but no hope whatsoever while Madman Netanyahu makes statements about insisting on total victory. Another egomaniac who should never have been allowed to have any power.

lixy Thu 08-Feb-24 07:14:06

A clever ploy by Hamas as now they can begin to claim the moral high ground. 'We offered...'

They have been deliberately negligent of their own people for years.

Negotiations always involve a lot of public bluster while hard tacks talking goes on behind the scenes. Mr Blinken still seems to have a glimmer of hope - I am holding on to that.

Iam64 Thu 08-Feb-24 08:36:01

Egypt has taken millions of refugees from neighbouring war torn countries. Its economy is struggling, the value of its pound dropping on a daily basis. The country depends on tourism, many tourists are cancelling visits because of the war in Gaza/Isreal.
Egypt is holding its politically neutral position and working with others towards the ceasefire needed to protect lives. If they opened the border to Palestinians, Hamas would walk in.

maddyone Thu 08-Feb-24 08:50:21

Yes, I see that now.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 08-Feb-24 12:24:37

Iam64

Egypt has taken millions of refugees from neighbouring war torn countries. Its economy is struggling, the value of its pound dropping on a daily basis. The country depends on tourism, many tourists are cancelling visits because of the war in Gaza/Isreal.
Egypt is holding its politically neutral position and working with others towards the ceasefire needed to protect lives. If they opened the border to Palestinians, Hamas would walk in.

Yes, my soon to be grand - daughter in law is Egyptian and talks of the millions of Somalis that Egypt is now home to. There is so much pressure on Egypt.

Iam64 Thu 08-Feb-24 14:35:09

There is whitewave and too much misinformation about that amazing country

Glorianny Thu 08-Feb-24 15:06:15

Urmstongran

If Hamas genuinely wanted a ceasefire they would hand over all the hostages and those who took part in the Oct 7 massacre. But they don't, because they're rather pretend to be "victims", let the Palestinian people suffer, and blame Israel.

I'm not Jewish and I'm not a Muslim, but I know right from wrong - If you hit me, you don't get to decide how hard I hit you back.

Fortunately International Law doesn't agree with you. The standard required of any response is that any innocent civilians should be protected. Israel has manifestly failed to do that.
It's time the UK and the US stopped supporting the Netanyahu regime, refused to supply any more weapons and demanded that he negotiate.

Urmstongran Thu 08-Feb-24 15:25:33

Respectfully Glorianny I have to disagree with you.

Farzanah Thu 08-Feb-24 15:27:39

I agree Glorianny but working towards a solution will surely also depend upon overcoming the self-interest of the leaders of those countries with power and influence in the region plus other European countries.

Parsley3 Thu 08-Feb-24 15:47:25

There is a difference between justice and revenge and I can't find a way to be partial in this conflict as revenge is the dominant motivation for every terrible action by both sides. It won't end until the desire for revenge is satisfied and that will be never. However, if one side is willing to negotiate then that is a start and deserves some credibility even if it leads to very little in the short term.

Iam64 Thu 08-Feb-24 16:33:28

Well said Parsley3. With a different leader, and with pressure from the US maybe Israel would negotiate. Hamas ??

Glorianny Thu 08-Feb-24 19:52:29

Hamas have negotiated and accepted a two state solution many times, their proviso being that Israel should leave the territories it occupied in 1967. Israel has always refused to do so.

Israel does not want Palestinians to have an independent state.

maddyone Thu 08-Feb-24 20:28:03

I agree with Parsley too.
Glorianny we have gone round and round this with you. Hamas want every Jew dead and as we all know Netanyahu wants revenge. The Israelis want an election and I presume that the majority of the women and children in Gaza want to live in peace. I think that many Gazan men probably support Hamas if truth were known. This is my opinion. We all have opinions. Opinions aren’t facts.

Glorianny Thu 08-Feb-24 20:38:24

maddyone

I agree with Parsley too.
Glorianny we have gone round and round this with you. Hamas want every Jew dead and as we all know Netanyahu wants revenge. The Israelis want an election and I presume that the majority of the women and children in Gaza want to live in peace. I think that many Gazan men probably support Hamas if truth were known. This is my opinion. We all have opinions. Opinions aren’t facts.

Firstly Hamas are not the Palestinian people.
But suppose Hamas is as violent as you believe. They are fighting to take back land which was stolen from them.
If the Russians did succeed in occupying Ukraine would you expect the Ukrainian people to simply accept them?
If not why should the Palestinians accept an Israeli occupation?