Aid for Gaza

merlotgran

Whitewavemark2

Netanyahu said in his speech on Tuesday? that he would continue to restrict aid, because he claimed that most of it is going to Hamas - he didn’t provide evidence for this statement.

I wouldn’t really expect him to if it is classified information.

Well that gives him carte blanche doesn’t it - and he is certainly using it as an excuse to starve the Palestinians.

I wouldn’t trust him no further than I could throw him, and as I couldn’t lift him that is not at all.

I have been following and praying for news of Hind’s rescue - a little 6 year old girl who phoned begging for help - Red Crescent workers got permission and coordinates were agreed with the Israeli military.

Hind was found - shot to death, and the ambulance that went to rescue her was burnt to the ground.

Israel is not complying with the rules of war is it?

Hind

I’ve read that too. I was hoping the poor child had been rescued. Her poor mother spending all the time on the phone trying to comfort her.

I was just listening to Lucy Williamson telling Hind’s story this morning on R4. I hadn’t caught up with the news that she had been killed. And the two paramedics in the ambulance that was supposedly cleared by the Israeli forces to go in and rescue her. It is unbearable, even to know this is happening. I can’t imagine how those in Gaza hold onto any hope and humanity.
I also fear for the young soldiers forced into taking part in this obscenity. Even those who feel bound to ‘defend’ their homeland, will have to live with what they have done on the orders of their government.

Sorry, this is really a reply to subsequent comments on the thread, Caleo but I think your question was answered, in terms of how the US and UK are ‘playing it’. The fear of ‘making things worse’ is on everyone’s mind but personally, I think the US, supported by the UK and EU, will have to use their greater strength to force a ceasefire, if one cannot be agreed.

Lord Cameron is calling for an immediate cease fire.

If the UK and the US threatened to stop supplying weapons there could be an immediate ceasefire.

Whitewavemark2

I have been following and praying for news of Hind’s rescue - a little 6 year old girl who phoned begging for help - Red Crescent workers got permission and coordinates were agreed with the Israeli military.

Hind was found - shot to death, and the ambulance that went to rescue her was burnt to the ground.

Israel is not complying with the rules of war is it?

Oh no, I was hoping she'd been rescued.
😥
Just an innocent little girl caught up in men's hatred for each other. 🤬

Whitewavemark2

I have been following and praying for news of Hind’s rescue - a little 6 year old girl who phoned begging for help - Red Crescent workers got permission and coordinates were agreed with the Israeli military.

Hind was found - shot to death, and the ambulance that went to rescue her was burnt to the ground.

Israel is not complying with the rules of war is it?

The unspeakable barbarity of the attack carried out by Hamas on innocent Jewish people will not be assuaged by slaughtering 6 year old Palestinian children.

I don't think Netanyahu cares one jot for the rules of war - nor the remaining Jewish hostages.

No he doesn’t, Netanyahu has only ever paid lip service to rescuing the hostages. They have never been his priority.

The Israel government, has a lot of questions that its citizens will need answering.

Why did Netanyahu actively encourage the funding of Hamas?

How was such a high security fence - so easily breached.? Where was the army?

Why after all this savagery does Hamas still exist?

How does Israel recover from its shattered reputation, which wasn’t shiny before the October events, and after Rafah - if the rest of Gaza is to go by - will be at rock bottom.

What now?

It seems to me that Israel’s biggest supporters - USA, U.K. etc are saying that the two state solution is non-negotiable - it must go ahead and in fact Cameron had gone further to say that the Palestinian state should be recognised immediately.

Well, that is all fine and dandy, and if it works will bring huge rewards for both sides. But my goodness the world is going to have to work hard to get to that point and my question is - does it have the focus and stamina to see this through.

Honestly - I doubt it.

I think Israel works on the basis that they can do certain things and then just sit and refuse to be moved, hoping that with time what they have established will come to be regarded as the norm. You can't really blame them. The land they snatched in 1948 has become theirs, so has the land they occupied in 1967. They have successfully blockaded access to Gaza, and controlled the country by a series of bombing raids. Why would they negotiate when they. just need to sit tight?

Whatever is done to them by Hamas they will return tenfold seems to be their credo. I don’t think things will change. Both sides want to totally annihilate the other. I don’t think they are capable of coexistence.

nanna8

Whatever is done to them by Hamas they will return tenfold seems to be their credo. I don’t think things will change. Both sides want to totally annihilate the other. I don’t think they are capable of coexistence.

The Palestinians do not want to annihilate anyone. They are mostly composed of third and fourth generation refugees who understandably think they are entitled to claim back some of the land which has been stolen from them.
They have accepted a two state solution many times. Israel has always refused to comply.

I said Hamas.

nanna8

I said Hamas.

Hamas accepted a two state solution in 2017. Israel didn't.

'Does Hamas want 2 state solution?
Though the Israeli prime minister dismissed this at the time as an attempt by Hamas to “fool the world”. Since the latest conflict began, Hamas leaders have taken a harder line in public, now explicitly calling for the destruction of Israel (and therefore openly rejecting a two state solution)'

Source, channel 4

Do some research on what is written in text books for Palestinian children. Primary schools.

They want to annihilate Israel and Jews.

That is so there is to it

Louella12

'Does Hamas want 2 state solution?
Though the Israeli prime minister dismissed this at the time as an attempt by Hamas to “fool the world”. Since the latest conflict began, Hamas leaders have taken a harder line in public, now explicitly calling for the destruction of Israel (and therefore openly rejecting a two state solution)'

Source, channel 4

Do some research on what is written in text books for Palestinian children. Primary schools.

They want to annihilate Israel and Jews.

That is so there is to it

Well that won't happen will it? schools, hospitals and homes have all gone in Gaza.
Do you read Arabic? I'm impressed.
Hamas called for a ceasefire and offered to trade the hostages

Remember. There was no conflict up until the 6th October.
Then Hamas struck.

So Hamas want a ceasefire now? I wonder why.
Can’t be because the IDF are relentless in their pursuit of the Hamas leaders can it? They must be feeling a bit vulnerable by now.

Hamas again - really caring for their fellow Palestinians -

“ Israel claims to have found Hamas tunnel beneath UN relief agency HQ in Gaza”
😱
Army engineers show journalists an underground passage and what they say is a terrorist data centre.

Same old terrorist tactics.
Shameful.
But not surprising.

Urmstongran

Remember. There was no conflict up until the 6th October.
Then Hamas struck.

urms Palestine is an occupied country. During 2023 Israel killed approx. 492 Palestinians which included something like 120 children. in one year

This has been going on for year after year after year.

From 2008 - September 2023 -

308 Israelis killed.

So try telling the Palestinians that there was no conflict.

That is just the mortality, but thousands of Palestinians were driven from their homes and land.

Urmstongran

Hamas again - really caring for their fellow Palestinians -

“ Israel claims to have found Hamas tunnel beneath UN relief agency HQ in Gaza”
😱
Army engineers show journalists an underground passage and what they say is a terrorist data centre.

Same old terrorist tactics.
Shameful.
But not surprising.

I simply don’t believe them.

Yes, there may or may not be tunnels under the UMRWA headquarters, - tunnels that exist throughout Palestine, but to go from there to suggest that UNRWA is supporting Hamas, is disgusting and totally unbelievable.

UMRWA is audited by the USA every year, for its neutrality, and has always had a clean bill of health.

Gaza is kep in poverty by Hamas. Fact. Aid diverted and miles of tunnels built but no fresh water for Palestinians? This latest tunnel ‘found’ but if you read the report, the electricity supply to the servers came from the UNRWA centre. Or are you suggesting that whoever paid the electricity bill, didn't notice that the relief centre was also powering a server farm?

The UNRWA are corrupt and complicit.
Of course they knew about this tunnel under their Headquarters. Excavation alone would have been deafening!
Sheesh.
It gets worse.

UNRWA... does not have the military and security expertise nor the capacity to undertake military inspections of what is or might be under its premises,” the statement said.-

UN worker -Hey what's this new door in the basement?
UN worker 2 - I don't have the military or security expertise to open it ..