So, our Home Office celebrates World Hajib Day ??

At one stage I worked for the public service in Australia and we were actually instructed never, ever, to criticise anything outside our own office or our jobs would be on the line. We were also told not to ever reveal any personal religious beliefs or political persuasions. That would have been in the 1990s. Maybe things are different now?

nanna8

At one stage I worked for the public service in Australia and we were actually instructed never, ever, to criticise anything outside our own office or our jobs would be on the line. We were also told not to ever reveal any personal religious beliefs or political persuasions. That would have been in the 1990s. Maybe things are different now?

We had to fill in forms many years ago asking rather intrusive questions and most of us ignored most of the questions.
We then got a piece of paper back telling us the details of which we'd put on the form, which was presumably logged on a database somewhere.

Are there any Muslim Gransnetters who could share an informed view please?

Callistemon21

petra

Callistemon
Ive often wondered: why is a link believable from The Guardian but the same story from The Mail is a pack of lies 🤷‍♀️

😂😂😂

I know! But before I was criticised for posting a sensational pack of lies from the DM I thought I'd have a look to see if the Guardian had reported it too.

I often look at both online and it's surprising how often the same sensational pack of lies is reported in both. 😃

👏👏😂😂 That is so true!

I am the first to criticise the DM for its ghastly celebrity articles and for its sensationalism (which Oscar Wilde would love!). But I have to give credit where it's due. They do go into lots of detail with their stories and no-one ever provides such amazing pictures to accompany the article. Also take a look at their Science or Travel tabs. There is always something interesting there.

My daughter is an HR manager in the civil service, based in the North West. Just been chatting to her and asked her about networks. Networks are useful to HR because complaints come through the networks. People feel they have a voice. My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out. If, for example, somebody complains about discrimination, she can contact the relevant network and discuss whether there's a more general issue.

Never knew women shaved their heads. That's madness.

kircubbin2000

Never knew women shaved their heads. That's madness.

Yet then wear wigs!

There's a whole clip on Instagram explaining how to clean your meat fork if it touches dairy.

There's series called "Unorthodox" about a girl who escapes from a strict jewish society in New York. It's well worth watching.

kircubbin2000

There's a whole clip on Instagram explaining how to clean your meat fork if it touches dairy.

So no beef stroganoff, then ??

Who makes these rules up?
Men.
It’s all about control.

I’ve just read the book ‘Brazen’ by Julia Haart upon which that Netflix series was based. It was pretty illuminating.

The wig is called a ‘sheitel’ and wigs are either real hair or nylon. I looked on the internet afterwards curious. Looked at US Supreme Court women judges who wore them.

My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

…. On the subject of ‘networks’ get this:

“ Ministry of Defence has 93 diversity networks including 10 for gender issues”
The staff forums for civil servants and those serving in the Armed Forces also include seven for LGBT issues and 14 for race.

Blimey.
It’s worse than I thought.

Sorry, early morning here in NZ, we’re leaving soon for home.
Reading your posts I know I was a bit muddled in my post last night. I couldn’t remember properly. Anyway the lady from BA won her case it seems but a nurse lost her similar case. I remember the nurse story now but muddled the two cases. I know about the hymn singing and praying outside abortion clinics, that definitely shouldn’t be allowed. I think they should be moved away from the clinic, perhaps a couple of hundred yards or so, but I thought the case last week was on Oxford St or somewhere similar and a police woman that’s not a proper police officer, sorry can’t remember the name of the role, made a mistake and was reprimanded for stopping the singing.
Anyway got to go, I may look in when we reach Singapore.

Urmstongran

^My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out^

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

It could have started about 25 years ago, then, when we had to fill in those forms which included questions about ethnicity.

Urmstongran

^My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out^

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

What's that supposed to mean?

Ensuring diversity is not only the law, but it makes for good employer/staff relations.

For example, it ensures that dress codes mean Christian staff can wear crucifixes or that female staff have spaces to go to the toilet without being harassed. Don't you agree with diversity?

Having networks means that grievances don't fester, but can be brought out in the open and discussed maturely and rationally.

maddyone

Sorry, early morning here in NZ, we’re leaving soon for home.
Reading your posts I know I was a bit muddled in my post last night. I couldn’t remember properly. Anyway the lady from BA won her case it seems but a nurse lost her similar case. I remember the nurse story now but muddled the two cases. I know about the hymn singing and praying outside abortion clinics, that definitely shouldn’t be allowed. I think they should be moved away from the clinic, perhaps a couple of hundred yards or so, but I thought the case last week was on Oxford St or somewhere similar and a police woman that’s not a proper police officer, sorry can’t remember the name of the role, made a mistake and was reprimanded for stopping the singing.
Anyway got to go, I may look in when we reach Singapore.

We don't know why a woman might want or need an abortion. Some might be desperate, some for medical reasons.
They should not be intimidated outside the clinics.

Have a good journey and enjoy Singapore Airport! If you have time, there is (or used to be) a lovely sunflower garden on the roof.

maddyone

Sorry, early morning here in NZ, we’re leaving soon for home.
Reading your posts I know I was a bit muddled in my post last night. I couldn’t remember properly. Anyway the lady from BA won her case it seems but a nurse lost her similar case. I remember the nurse story now but muddled the two cases. I know about the hymn singing and praying outside abortion clinics, that definitely shouldn’t be allowed. I think they should be moved away from the clinic, perhaps a couple of hundred yards or so, but I thought the case last week was on Oxford St or somewhere similar and a police woman that’s not a proper police officer, sorry can’t remember the name of the role, made a mistake and was reprimanded for stopping the singing.
Anyway got to go, I may look in when we reach Singapore.

The lady from BA won her case because she went to the European Court of Human Rights, which some people want to exclude from the British legal system.

Callistemon21

Urmstongran

My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

It could have started about 25 years ago, then, when we had to fill in those forms which included questions about ethnicity.

I doubt if it has anything to do with the form-filling. It's about good staff relations and ensuring different groups have a voice.

Urmstongran

…. On the subject of ‘networks’ get this:

“ Ministry of Defence has 93 diversity networks including 10 for gender issues”
The staff forums for civil servants and those serving in the Armed Forces also include seven for LGBT issues and 14 for race.

Blimey.
It’s worse than I thought.

Why worse?

growstuff

Urmstongran

…. On the subject of ‘networks’ get this:

“ Ministry of Defence has 93 diversity networks including 10 for gender issues”
The staff forums for civil servants and those serving in the Armed Forces also include seven for LGBT issues and 14 for race.

Blimey.
It’s worse than I thought.

Why worse?

Given the rampant bullying and appalling suicide rates in the armed forces I'm surprised you seen to find networks to support issues around LGBT or race are a bad idea.

GrannyGravy13

I suggest you tell that to the women in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or are you suggesting that they are willingly covering themselves?

If this is something they are doing willingly why are they systematically beaten and imprisoned for not covering their head or covering it incorrectly.

As for the women who have to wear the full body covering with only a black mesh small aperture through which they can see which is strictly policed in Afghanistan…

Well put GG13.
Once compulsion by punishment comes in, it stops being a choice (except the choice to avoid being punished.)
Even clothing children in what I consider to be unsuitable garments is not compulsory. Punishing the child or the parents for doing so would be like punishing women for not wearing a hijab.

VioletSky

Women should get to wear what they want

If a woman chooses to wear it, respect her choice

If a woman chooses not to, respect her choice

It's simple

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I have known muslim women who wear the hijab and feel that it’s part of their identity. And the hijab can be very beautiful.
Not everyone wears it because they are coerced.

Yes. Choicey choice feminism. That's been brilliant for women. It's amazing how these choices all seem to benefit men.