Azar Ali

Nandy not Mandy!

Anniel

I am shocked that anyone would think that Israel allowed the massacre on On October 7th. Nobody in the normal political parties thinks that this crazy idea is true. I never realised that antisemitic views like that were believed by some Grans.

Why were the watchwomen ignored?

The question, and Israel's refusal to answer it is fuelling the debate about how much Israel knew, and at what level.
Do not shut down debate when pertinent questions remain unanswered.
The antisemitic claims play right into Israel's hands. That question must be answered and the answer justified.

Anniel

I am shocked that anyone would think that Israel allowed the massacre on On October 7th. Nobody in the normal political parties thinks that this crazy idea is true. I never realised that antisemitic views like that were believed by some Grans.

I think it is anti-Netanyahu, rather than anti-Semitic. And I believe it's important to draw that distinction.

Even some of his own country men and women are not happy with the way he is conducting this retaliatory war. Particularly those who have family members who are still held hostage.

Israel did have 'eyes on the border' as this BBC report indicates - but their warnings and reports went unheard.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260

Questions do need asking - without making accusations - and it is neither wrong nor anti-Semitic to ask them. When unspeakable atrocities - like those carried out by Hamas - happen, people will naturally ask how it was allowed to happen and / or whether it could have been prevented... that was the whole point of having those "eyes" on the border, whose reports / warnings appear, on the face of it, to have been ignored.

Dickens

Anniel

I am shocked that anyone would think that Israel allowed the massacre on On October 7th. Nobody in the normal political parties thinks that this crazy idea is true. I never realised that antisemitic views like that were believed by some Grans.

I think it is anti-Netanyahu, rather than anti-Semitic. And I believe it's important to draw that distinction.

Even some of his own country men and women are not happy with the way he is conducting this retaliatory war. Particularly those who have family members who are still held hostage.

Israel did have 'eyes on the border' as this BBC report indicates - but their warnings and reports went unheard.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67958260

Questions do need asking - without making accusations - and it is neither wrong nor anti-Semitic to ask them. When unspeakable atrocities - like those carried out by Hamas - happen, people will naturally ask how it was allowed to happen and / or whether it could have been prevented... that was the whole point of having those "eyes" on the border, whose reports / warnings appear, on the face of it, to have been ignored.

Exactly this.

Questions like this will have to be answered by the Israeli government - the Israeli people deserve answers.

The real problem is that people do not understand the difference between legitimate criticism of actions by a government which must and should be stated, and criticism of a people because of their faith.

So saying that someone who questions the actions of the Israeli government and its motives is anti-Semitic, spectacularly misses the point.

George Galloway is surely a happy person,

There is a bigger issue here. Is no-one concerned about the number of muslims getting into politics? What does this mean for the future of this country? Are young, white people so disillusioned that they simply don't care?
The situation in the Middle East has shown up the divisions in this country, and it's something which needs to be addressed.
The predictions of Nostradamus are coming true.

There are plenty of voters that share his views, it remains to be seen if Labour put an official candidate against him in the GE. If they do it could well split the vote and let another party in

The Labour Party-

We understand that these are highly unusual circumstances but it is vital that any candidate put forward by Labour fully represents its aims and values.

Whatever happened to free speech?
Here's what he said
The Egyptians are saying that they warned Israel 10 days earlier … Americans warned them a day before [that] … there’s something happening. They deliberately took the security off, they allowed … that massacre that gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want
It isn't anti-semitic to criticise Israel.
It isn't wrong to question the reasons a country is committing genocide.
I suspect a lot of people will vote for him because they support the people of Gaza. The LP may well get a shock

The Labour Party is recovering from its anti semitism years with Corbyn

To claim the government of Israel allowed the massacre of its
people is anti semantic

Anniebach

To claim the government of Israel allowed the massacre of its
people is anti semantic

How on earth do you come to that conclusion?

I think that the point is that there is no doubt that the Israeli government has questions to answer.

Now, whether they can convince the Israeli people that they (the government) are innocent of all charges remains to be seen.

But the questions must be asked and answered.

God there's some serious nonsense here.

Worried about the number of Muslims on politics? Er no,I'm worried about the utter lack of integrity shown by the present government and I don't hold out much hope for the other lot either.

The attacks in Israel,something doesn't add up. I expect time will tell.

In a situation that is crying out for diplomacy, he could have been a bit more discerning with his choice of words .... the swearing bit at the end isn't very subtle.

From the IHRA definition of antisemitism
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic
Russia was said to be complicit in the pograms
Germans were complicit in the holocaust.
It isn't unknown to criticise a country for massacres. Why is Israel an exception?

The pograms , the Holocaust were persecution of Jews bringing
the birth of Israel

Anniebach

The pograms , the Holocaust were persecution of Jews bringing
the birth of Israel

But it was the countries who were criticised for those just as Israel is being criticised now.
It's really nothing to do with Judaism. Trying to claim it is is an insult to all the Jewish people who oppose Israel.

Surely though Israel represents the ‘safe space’ in the world for the Jewish people who need a place where they can’t be hounded out from. Imagine how they must feel trying to live in places when anti-Semitic demonstrations run riot. Why are we so mean to the Jews?

Pity the safe space was stolen from other people though?

What an unholy mess. The position set out by the candidate puts responsibility for the Hamas murderous assaults on 7.10.23 on the Israeli govt and its security services. It states that Netanyahu deliberately allowed this so he ‘could do what he bloody wanted’ in response.
This belief is expressed by the left in the LP, by some posters here and by every Muslim person I’ve discussed it with.
Councillor Ali repeated this it a Labour Party meeting - it seems the challenge within the party comes largely from Jewish members.

He apologised but further concerns arose leaving Starmer with no alternative but to say if elected, he’ll stand as an independent. I hope he beats Galloway. Starmer is doing the best he can in challenging circumstances

Anniebach

Annie1 I fear George Galloway, lots of film of him singing
From The River to The Sea to a very happy crowd

Put George Galloway in the corner with a saucer of milk and he'll be fine.

Katie59

There are plenty of voters that share his views, it remains to be seen if Labour put an official candidate against him in the GE. If they do it could well split the vote and let another party in

Under our electoral views, they are not allowed to stand another candidate for this by election.

He will stand, but won’t receive the Labour Whip, if he wins, so will sit as an independent.

It’s a short term issue, as Labour, and every other party, will pick a candidate for the GE, so Labour can choose someone else then.

He won’t be representing Labour at the GE.

Anniel

I am shocked that anyone would think that Israel allowed the massacre on On October 7th. Nobody in the normal political parties thinks that this crazy idea is true. I never realised that antisemitic views like that were believed by some Grans.

Anyone who disagrees with the Israeli stance, will automatically believe this. It suits their agenda. Why has America or Eygpt not released documentation to prove, disprove this. Hearsay and say so is not proof.

Good riddance I say. Galloway stands for the Islamists, if he is allowed to be voted in then Rochdale gets what it deserves, because believe me the only agenda will be for the minority, no one else.