Shemima Begum.

Listening to her being interviewed today, I really do feel that she should be allowed back. She is remorseful and thoroughly ashamed of herself, and can’t believe how naive she was. At fifteen years old, I think most of us can be easily led.
Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know, but she will probably have to go to prison if she’s allowed back. She’s quite prepared for that.

How can we as a civilised country send foreign criminals back to their home countries but not accept our own back.

She has not been tried by any court, I totally accept that she could be a danger, but also I have to acknowledge that she doesn’t have to be in the U.K. in order to carry out/organise anything against us.

My post crossed with yours, as I had to answer the door half way through - I wasn't ignoring you, GSM . Great minds think alike, anyway.

Ordinarily I don't think that 15 year olds should be punished for life, but in this case I don't think we necessarily know all the facts.

I do, however, have some reservations about the fact that SB is a distinctly charmless young woman. This may be because she is traumatised, or just be how she is, but someone more endearing might have more support, and something as life-changing as returning home from such a hostile environment shouldn't come down to things like that.

Sorry premature posting.

At least if she was here she could be monitored as to who she is seeing and where she is going.

Whilst she is in the refugee camp who knows who she is mixing with and who is influencing her,

That £5 million could have been spent on keeping her in close custody and in looking at how she was radicalised and if she presents any danger now.
This shirking of our responsibilities is unacceptable.
Her parents are not Pakistani they were from Bangladesh and only her father has returned there.
Of course it may suit certain people and interests to keep her out of the UK because of the involvement of the Canadian intelligence service and a British connection with the trafficking of children to Isis.

I agree with you both, too. *Glorianny and GG13.

This is why it's a good thing that I'm not in charge of anything much

GrannyGravy13

How can we as a civilised country send foreign criminals back to their home countries but not accept our own back.

She has not been tried by any court, I totally accept that she could be a danger, but also I have to acknowledge that she doesn’t have to be in the U.K. in order to carry out/organise anything against us.

I was going to say exactly that gg13 but sometimes I lose the will to live😄😄

So much misinformation, her mother made a statement in 2022 and is in this country, her parents were, as already corrected, Bangladeshi. I haven't changed my mind about this. She should be allowed back into the country, she was a naive 15 year old, trafficked by older men and women and she has had an utterly vile life at the hands of ISIS. We should accept responsibility for her because frankly, if her school and other agencies had not failed in their duty of care towards her, she would never have left the country in the first place.

Germanshepherdsmum

She has been radicalised and appears to show no remorse so I doubt she would be rehabilitated. More likely that she would radicalise others, as we know often happens in prisons. It’s clear that the security services know she has become a very dangerous person.

I think this decision will have been made in light of information known only to the security agencies and limited others and will have been made for the safety of the UK..

Leave her where she is. Her allegiance doesn't lay with the UK which she left of her own free will, She admits she played a part in Isis's brutal regime. I suppose some human rights lawyer will win the case for her one day, citing human rights. Shame she didn't show much concern for others human rights when casually mentioning that seeing severed heads did not faze her.

I agree with the decision to leave her were she is.

She should never be allowed back on British soil.

Doodledog

My post crossed with yours, as I had to answer the door half way through - I wasn't ignoring you, GSM . Great minds think alike, anyway.

Ordinarily I don't think that 15 year olds should be punished for life, but in this case I don't think we necessarily know all the facts.

I do, however, have some reservations about the fact that SB is a distinctly charmless young woman. This may be because she is traumatised, or just be how she is, but someone more endearing might have more support, and something as life-changing as returning home from such a hostile environment shouldn't come down to things like that.

The deaths of 3 children may render some charmless, l think it would me.

Yes, as I said, it may be because she is traumatised. My point, which I thought was obvious, is that although she doesn't always do herself any favours, I think that this should not get in the way of justice.

I doubt the security services allow their information to be coloured by whether or not someone is charmless. The Home Secretary’s decision was based on the information he received from them and the court has confirmed that he had the power to make that decision and remove her British citizenship.

GrannyGravy13

How can we as a civilised country send foreign criminals back to their home countries but not accept our own back.

She has not been tried by any court, I totally accept that she could be a danger, but also I have to acknowledge that she doesn’t have to be in the U.K. in order to carry out/organise anything against us.

Very good point GG13. I am confused over the issue of Ms Begum, but uncomfortable by the number of people on here, some who should know better, who state that she is 'radicalised'. At the very least SB should be referred to as allegedly radicalised. Yes, a bit picky perhaps, but she has not been charged, let alone convicted, and I do believe in the rule of law.

It is a very troubling subject, but I think that it is hypocritical of a govt and many of the electorate to call for convicted 'foreign' criminals to be deported on conviction, when we as a country are not taking responsibility for a UK citizen who has allegedly committed crimes in another country. We surely cannot have it both ways.

As GSM has said, the then Home Secretary’s comment “if you knew what I know” is more than enough to indicate just what a threat this woman is to our country.

Cases like this make me so cross.
Her family were given permission to settle here and this is how they repay us.
We’ve seen it time and time again with acts of terrorism.

JenniferEccles 👏👏and she should never be allowed back in this country.

Who pays her legal fees?

Legal aid - we do.

Clearly the security services consider she has been radicalised HPQ. That, and hearing what she said in an interview some time ago, is quite enough for me.

Germanshepherdsmum

Legal aid - we do.

crikey, talk about light touchpaper and stand back! Still, as you said, the lawyers will be paying tax at 45%, so we will get a good chunk back anyway. The taxpayer also paid Johnson's fees, so there we go

"If you knew what I know."

Well as I don't I can only assume that the correct decision has been made.

Sago

GrannyGravy13

When I first heard that Miss Begum wanted to return to the U.K. my immediate reaction was to leave her wherever she was.

After much soul searching I came to the conclusion that she is our (the U.K.’s) problem, she should come back and face the music.

I fear if she did she would end up being a “celebrity”.

She is indeed the UK's problem. She was born in the UK, she has no relationship with her parents' birthplace, Bangladesh. Making someone “stateless” is a horrific punishment. If she has committed a crime she should be in the UK being tried. If she hasn't, she should be in the UK being carefully, professionally re-integrated into society. Recollect that she was a 15-year-old child when she was groomed to become a “soldier's wife”. Had she been groomed for sex within the UK, one likes to think the groomer would have been prosecuted, not the child who was abused and raped. What she did was unbelievably stupid (teenage? hormonal?) but surely she deserves some compassion now?

foxie48

So much misinformation, her mother made a statement in 2022 and is in this country, her parents were, as already corrected, Bangladeshi. I haven't changed my mind about this. She should be allowed back into the country, she was a naive 15 year old, trafficked by older men and women and she has had an utterly vile life at the hands of ISIS. We should accept responsibility for her because frankly, if her school and other agencies had not failed in their duty of care towards her, she would never have left the country in the first place.

Entirely this!

it is probably not a factor that is taken into account but if she did come back to the UK who would pay for her ? are firms likely to employ her ?