Shemima Begum.

Nannashirlz

MF5 saw something that none of us will ever see. From my understanding it was from their advice she was stopped. Anyone a danger to our country should be removed or blocked. I don’t think we should be paying for her court fees at present 8 million of tax payers money. Has my gran used to say you make your bed you lie in it. So for you saying we should let her back as she was 15 does that mean anyone 15 who kills etc should be allowed free after all they only 15. You know the difference between right and wrong at her age so no we should shut the door on her

Totally agree! Old enough to know right from wrong at 15!

Nicenanny3

11:17Luckygirl3

This young woman made some very bad choices as a teenager - as indeed do many of us - and is paying a high price.

*That's an understatement, bad choices made as a teenager ha, well I don't think I ever thought of joining a terrorist group, did you? *

Yes, I made a few and watched 😲 as my DGC have made one or two but you're right! Joining a terrorist group, wanting to be a jihadi bride to an unknown man at 15?
That is extreme.

Although to be fair, I don’t think there were any jihadi brides to join in with when I was a teenager.
I made some terrible choices as a teenager but also some good ones.

And I’ve watched my children make a few too but thankfully none of them wanted to get married at fifteen to anyone, let alone a terrorist.

Having thought about it.Isn,t this country often a bit too lenient? How many criminals and terrorists have been allowed to enter the country either legally or illegally and have gone on to commit acts of terrorism and/or murder.Then they are(if caught)sent to prison and kept at our expense for years! A bit off piste but no,keep SB out!

maddyone

Although to be fair, I don’t think there were any jihadi brides to join in with when I was a teenager.
I made some terrible choices as a teenager but also some good ones.

Oh, yes, I was keen to go off to work as an au pair in Germany, a friend and I having met a group of German exchange students. Their leader interviewed us but friend's parents refused to allow her to go, citing the white slave trade. I didn't want to go without her. We were 17 at the time.

The only reason she wants to come back to the UK now is that ISIS lost and it’s no fun sitting in a tent in the middle of a desert.

14:43Primrose53

Haha 😊

Primrose53

The only reason she wants to come back to the UK now is that ISIS lost and it’s no fun sitting in a tent in the middle of a desert.

Oh, I haven't seen that report. Has there been another interview with her where she's said this? Can you link to it please? Apart from the televised interviews with SB I've only seen speculation from journalists who are guessing, presumably based on how their own minds work, so it would be good to read something based on fact.

A girl age 15 can be sentenced to life imprisonment so a girl
of 15 who makes a choice to marry ?

Callistemon
Re being an au pair at 17, my daughter was at school in the sixth form alongside a boy who lived in Lebanon (he was a boarder at her school although she was a day pupil) and he invited her to his home for one of the school holidays. Trying to explain to her why we would not allow her to go to Lebanon on holiday at seventeen years old was difficult, but no way would we ever have allowed her to go.

Anniebach

A girl age 15 can be sentenced to life imprisonment so a girl
of 15 who makes a choice to marry ?

I'm not sure I understand your post, Anniebach.

Nobody can marry at 15 in the UK.

I think what was meant was that girls as young as fifteen, and younger, were married by ISIS terrorists.

Germanshepherdsmum

If you look at the sentencing guidelines I posted upthread you will see that she is singularly unlikely to be given the maximum sentence due to mitigating factors. Whilst imprisoned she would be unable to be ‘active’. The information the security forces have about her will not be disclosed in open court. This legislation is insufficient to ensure our safety from this woman.

I'm sure you are very aware that any information of a sensitive nature does not need to be disclosed in open court but can be withheld if a matter of national security is involved. The legislation covers terrorism and terrorist activities adequately. Of course information she might reveal about the trafficking process the involvement of the Canadian intelligence services and their links with the UK might be a problem.

maddyone

I think what was meant was that girls as young as fifteen, and younger, were married by ISIS terrorists.

Ah, ok, but I still don't understand the point being made.

The legislation does not cover adequately a situation such as this. SB has not undertaken terrorist activities in the UK as far as we know, and the difficulty in obtaining satisfactory evidence of what she did abroad is obvious. Relevant sensitive information does have to be disclosed but that happens in camera, not in open court, and requires the use of special counsel.

Germanshepherdsmum

The legislation does not cover adequately a situation such as this. SB has not undertaken terrorist activities in the UK as far as we know, and the difficulty in obtaining satisfactory evidence of what she did abroad is obvious. Relevant sensitive information does have to be disclosed but that happens in camera, not in open court, and requires the use of special counsel.

Of course it does but you have said she will be walking the streets, As I pointed out she could be held and any activity monitored and a case brought against her for any activity in the UK. Should she be active, which is doubtful.

I seem to remember that SB was married to a Muslim originally from the Netherlands. Does anyone know if they are still married? They had 3 children who all died, did he die fighting ? Or is he still alive ? I’ve never heard anything about him for years. The reason I mention this is because under Islamic law the husband’s nationality and religion will always supersede his wife’s.

I have explained to you why the legislation is inadequate for this case. I have posted the sentencing guidelines, which indicate that she would receive only a short sentence. She would then be free because she won’t be active whilst in custody, and by the time evidence of post-release terrorist activity is discovered an act of terrorism may have occurred. I am not going to debate this further with you.

He is dead SueBdoo.

Just out of interest, obviously this young woman made some appalling choices, she and her friends were clearly groomed and radicalised, but has SB actually committed any crimes, other than by association? She’s clearly a very damaged young woman and completely desensitised to atrocities, but this is hardly a surprise.

Does anyone know what happened to the other two young women? Or why many males who went to fight on the side of ISIS have arrived back in the UK with their citizenship intact?

The whole SB story is as tragic as it is appalling and shocking!

SueBdoo

I seem to remember reading that the Dutch authorities refused to allow her entry to The Netherlands.

www.standard.co.uk/news/world/shamima-begum-friends-amira-abase-kadiza-sultana-syria-b1022023.html#:~:text=Shamima%20Begum's%20friends%3A%20what%20happened%20to%20Amira%20Abase%20and%20Kadiza%20Sultana%3F&text=Shamima%20Begum%20has%20lost%20her,to%20protect%20national%20security.

Cossy The two girls who went with Begum are dead according to this article.

Germanshepherdsmum

He is dead SueBdoo.

I think he is being held in prison in Syria after being captured by the Kurds.

Cossy

Just out of interest, obviously this young woman made some appalling choices, she and her friends were clearly groomed and radicalised, but has SB actually committed any crimes, other than by association? She’s clearly a very damaged young woman and completely desensitised to atrocities, but this is hardly a surprise.

Does anyone know what happened to the other two young women? Or why many males who went to fight on the side of ISIS have arrived back in the UK with their citizenship intact?

The whole SB story is as tragic as it is appalling and shocking!

Or why many males who went to fight on the side of ISIS have arrived back in the UK with their citizenship intact?
Presumably because they only had British citizenship.

has SB actually committed any crimes
She joined a proscribed terrorist organisation.