Islamaphobia is getting out of control

And whilst Islam is the fastest growing religion, it's got a long way to catch up.
The reason Christianity is declining is because "Boomers" have left the church/abandoned their faith/died and left their children/grandchildren to decide for themselves. Most choose "no religion".

Try evidence based research, it helps.

The Muslim population in 2001 was 1.5m in 2021 it was 3.8m
According to the UK census

I’m not that bothered about Muslims influencing the UK because Muslim society is not liberal, freedom of speech in countries with any substantial Muslim population is limited, so the PC liberals in the UK will be disappointed.

I’m not that bothered about Muslims influencing the UK because Muslim society is not liberal, freedom of speech in countries with any substantial Muslim population is limited, so the PC liberals in the UK will be disappointed

Exactly.
Muslims are extremely conservative so not sure why the woke liberals are happy for them to take over ( politically )
Another mystery.

Further to the discussion earlier in the thread where right wing extremism’s impact was disputed, this is on today’s news. Truly shocking.
news.sky.com/story/three-men-charged-with-preparing-act-of-terrorism-after-suspected-extreme-right-wing-activity-13081942

Ok katie59 the decline in Christianity is the fault of boomers. Are you a boomer? It’s an offensive term but I accept I’m a boomer. I was brought up a Christian, repeated that with my children.
If people are leaving Christianity maybe the Churches need to look at themselves and wonder how congregations can increase

Kandinsky

*I’m not that bothered about Muslims influencing the UK because Muslim society is not liberal, freedom of speech in countries with any substantial Muslim population is limited, so the PC liberals in the UK will be disappointed*

Exactly.
Muslims are extremely conservative so not sure why the woke liberals are happy for them to take over ( politically )
Another mystery.

What on earth does this mean - woke liberals being happy to let Muslims take over?

Katie59 On p23 10.16 I make the argument that what you are saying now was said about Irish Catholic immigrants in my life time.

You have not addressed the issue of why you think it will be any different with the muslim population. Essentially there were fears that Irish Catholics, who had larger families and a church that banned the use of contraception, would outbreed everyone else and take over with their authoritarian priest-led religion. That didn't happen because, with each succeeding generation, they conformed more and more to general society norms. Family size fell, mixed marriages took place.

This is already taking place in the muslim community.

So why should what happens among the muslim community be any diffeent to that that happened among Irish catholics, of which I am one (in a mixed marriage with 2 children)

Thank you MOnica.
The voice of logical reasoning.

M0nica

Katie59 On p23 10.16 I make the argument that what you are saying now was said about Irish Catholic immigrants in my life time.

You have not addressed the issue of why you think it will be any different with the muslim population. Essentially there were fears that Irish Catholics, who had larger families and a church that banned the use of contraception, would outbreed everyone else and take over with their authoritarian priest-led religion. That didn't happen because, with each succeeding generation, they conformed more and more to general society norms. Family size fell, mixed marriages took place.

This is already taking place in the muslim community.

So why should what happens among the muslim community be any diffeent to that that happened among Irish catholics, of which I am one (in a mixed marriage with 2 children)

Unfortunately the majority of terrorist attacks in this country were perpetrated by Muslims.
This is why people are so nervous.
Irish Catholics ( of which I am ) were not a terrorist threat.

Sago, Irish catholics were certainly seen as terrorist threats in the late 70’s. Friends of mine had their house turned upside down. She was Irish, he was first generation Irish/english. He a lecturer she had 4 foster children and two of their own. Babies woken as cots searched

Sago Oh yes they were, during the troubles in Ireland. I worke with Irish people with irish accents, all of them told of deep suspicions or prejudice. In the 1960s-1980s they were behind almost every terrorist outrage in this country and in Northern ireland.

An interesting comparison, I don’t remember the Irish Catholics sponsoring global terrorism, or declaring Jihad, although there was a lot of suspicion during the troubles, their culture was pretty much the same as ours and they integrated easily.
Islam is a much stronger religion expanding worldwide and in many inter religious marriages involves conversion to Islam rather than no religion as so many Christians have chosen.

Agree KatieI see no comparison

The ira supported other terrorist groups, I expect the other paramilitaries did
When I was a teen it was expected the groom or bride would convert to Catholicism and that children be brought up catholic

Katie59

An interesting comparison, I don’t remember the Irish Catholics sponsoring global terrorism, or declaring Jihad, although there was a lot of suspicion during the troubles, their culture was pretty much the same as ours and they integrated easily.
Islam is a much stronger religion expanding worldwide and in many inter religious marriages involves conversion to Islam rather than no religion as so many Christians have chosen.

I disagree, our closest neighbours are Muslim, they have three children. One daughter has married a Muslim and upholds the faith, one daughter married a European and doesn’t follow Islam or its traditions. Their son also married a European who comes from a strict catholic background neither of them follow their families religion.

They are still a close family, who respect each other’s choices. (They are also the best neighbours anyone could ask for)

Sorry Katie59, I was born and brought up on Merseyside, where many people have Irish ancestry. I don't remember easy integration at all. I remember prejudice and suspicion and real fear when travelling through stations and in shopping centres, where all the bins were removed, in case "Irish terrorists" placed bombs in them.

I agree with Monica. My own personal experience of my daughter marrying into a Muslim family has shown me that education makes a difference. My daughter's in-laws don't have large families. They are flexible about their faith. My son-in'law doesn't practise any religion. Their lives aren't any different from anybody else's.

Katie59 The Irish integrated easily, Where on earth did you get that ideaa? My mother, born and brought up in London remembered seeing signs on lodging houses saying No children, No Irish, No dogs.

Have a look at some old copies of Punch with all the 'stupid ignorant' Irish jokes. Irish experience in Britain for the forst 100 years after the Famine was not unlike the treatment meeted out on the Windrush generation. In fact, it was immigrants from the West Indies coming to Britain thaat took the heat off the Irish as then socieities contempt was turned on them.

As for conversion when my catholic paternal grandfather and maternal grandmother married Christians of other denominations , in both cases their spouses became catholics

I can remember being faced by all the casual stories about catholics being bound to obey the Pope before the Queen. Something I found very offensive coming from an army family where my family had fought and died for this country over several generations, including winning gallantry awards..

One boyfriend dropped me when he realised I was a catholic because his father had said that if he ever brought a catholic girl home he would cut him off without a penny - and he meant it.

Irish terrorists were not content with bombing in Northern ireland, they also brought their campaign to the UK and do not forget the immense support for them from the Irish diaspora in the USA, who effectively funded the whole bombing and killing campaign.

No dogs, no children, no Irish,was of the 50’s

You may want to look at this Katie59.
www.statista.com/statistics/539190/incidences-of-terrorism-united-kingdom/

Anniebach

No dogs, no children, no Irish,was of the 50’s

No, it wasn't Anniebach. I wasn't born until 1955 and I vividly remember the prejudice against Catholics and Irish.

The problem with that chart is that it speaks of the United Kingdom. Well of course there were many, many more terrorist attacks in 1970! Of course! That was the time of the troubles and last time I looked, Northern Ireland was and is part of the United Kingdom. And that’s where the huge number of attacks took place. That situation cannot be compared with today. What did surprise me was that there were, I think it said, ninety terrorist attacks in 2020. The IRA had stopped attacks by then, although I think the Real IRA, still do the occasional one in Northern Ireland, and so who was committing the ninety terrorist attacks? I don’t even remember that many attacks. I remember the big ones that were well publicised, but ninety attacks seems really quite frightening, whoever was committing them.

Anniebach
No dogs, no children, no Irish,was of the 50’s
No, it wasn't Anniebach. I wasn't born until 1955 and I vividly remember the prejudice against Catholics and Irish.

Not in South Wales Valleys, my aunt, granddaughter of a Baptist minister married an Irish Roman Catholic, 1952 I was baptised into the Anglican Church, I was allowed to choose my
Godparents, I chose my Aunt a Baptist, my Uncle a Roman Catholic, the Anglican priest couldn’t put my uncle’s name in the records, his Church wouldn’t allow it, many Irish families moved to the Valleys to work in the mines, no problem in South Wales

Northern Ireland was and is part of the United Kingdom. And that’s where the huge number of attacks took place.

Really? You really think that the IRA confined their activities to NI, maddyone?

Brighton? Manchester? Hyde Park? Airey Neave?

In fact, now I've looked it up I am astounded at how many IRA incidents there were in mainland Britain.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

Timeline - Worst IRA bomb attacks on mainland Britain
Reuters
May 16, 20112:06 PM GMT+1Updated 13 years ago

(Reuters) - Police said on Monday they had been warned of a bomb in central London, a day before the Queen makes a historic visit to Ireland.
Here is a timeline of some of the worst bomb attacks on mainland Britain by Irish dissident groups in the last 35 years.
February 1974 - Coach carrying soldiers and families in northern England is bombed by the Irish Republican Army (IRA). Twelve people killed, 14 hurt.
October-November 1974 - Wave of IRA bombs in British pubs kills 28 people and wounds more than 200.
July 1982 - Two IRA bomb attacks on soldiers in London's royal parks kill 11 people and wound 50.
December 1983 - IRA bomb at Harrods department store kills six.
October 1984 - Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's cabinet narrowly escapes IRA bomb that kills five people at Brighton hotel during Conservative Party's annual conference.
September 1989 - Bomb at Royal Marines Music School in Deal, southeast England, kills 11 and wounds 22.
February 1990 - Explosion at Army recruitment centre in Leicester. Two wounded.
May 1990 - Seven wounded by blast at Army Educational Service headquarters in London suburb of Eltham.
May 1990 - One soldier is killed and another wounded by car bomb in Wembley.
June 1990 - Soldier is shot dead at train station in Lichfield.

www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE74F31Q/#:~:text=April%201993%20%2D%20IRA%20truck%20bomb,explodes%20outside%20BBC's%20London%20headquarters.

So many in England, there was a few incidents in Wales in the
60’s , The Welsh Free Army against the Investiture and the flooding of Capel Celyn.