Pro Palestinian supporters destroy painting of Lord Balfour

Today is International Women's Day. Read these two articles about two women who were killed by Israeli armed forces in Palestine, one in 2003, the other two decades later.

Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, was killed by a single bullet into her head while she was reporting from the occupied West Bank city of Jenin. Several independent investigations, including one by the United Nations, concluded that she was shot by Israeli forces, describing the shooting as “targeted” and the bullet that killed her as “well-aimed.”

American peace activist Rachel Corrie was nonviolently protesting the demolition of a Palestinian family’s home in Gaza. She was wearing a fluorescent orange jacket with reflective stripes and had been on the scene for several hours, and was standing on a mound of earth so as to be visible. An Israeli soldier drove a bulldozer over her, and moved several feet forward before backing off, effectively crushing her twice.

theintercept.com/2022/07/13/israel-rachel-corrie-shireen-abu-akleh-killings/

edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/23135/inquiry-into-death-of-rachel-corrie The 64 signatories to this early-day motion include Jeremy Corbyn and Lindsay Hoyle, (and Glenda Jackson) among others..

International womans day was two days ago. I read lots of accounts on that day of the utter brutality meted out by Hamas on women.

Yes, those stories are very sad and probably illegal.
The murdering of 1,200 people on 7/10 was also very sad and definitely illegal. So were the multiple rapes on that day.

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

Flags and placards are a nuisance, but I guess it's a visual means of getting messages across.
When we’ve reached the stage of Palestinian flags draped over lampposts down the streets of London, it’s gone too far.
My DGD attends a school in one such London Borough, made up of a large population of muslims. The Palestine flags have been removed because they obscured drivers' views and distracted them. I think it was tfl who demanded this on grounds of endangering passengers and pedestrians, and the mayor or whoever could hardly refuse.

maddyone

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

But it is Israeli bombing killing them and Israeli imprisonment where they are raped.
This has been declared a "war on women"
www.greenpeace.org/mena/en/in-solidarity-with-palestinian-women-this-international-womens-day/#:~:text=While%20progress%20toward%20gender%20equality,

Is the exact day more important than the deliberate and face-to-face killing of two civilian women who were no threat to their killers - and one of which took place twenty years ago, long before Hamas meted out anything to anyone. These are just two examples of the brutality suffered by Palestinians over the years, in the course of the Israeli takeover and colonisation of Palestinian homes and lands, yet still Palestinians are blamed as though they invented the aggression.

In Britain, we have security of tenure of our homes. How would we re-act if we were evicted from the place we and our ancestorss had lived for generations because it was claimed by incomers from all around the globe, our homes bulldozed flat (and ourselves if we tried to resist) our crops ploughed into the ground and our village illegally filled with colonists? If you think that it is OK for that to happen to Palestinians, then you should not complain should legislation be passed in the UK that evicts a Briton from their home should an immigrant need it. Would you agree to that? Even if it was YOUR home?

We are appalled that in the US that was done to First Nation people. Why are we not appalled that in Palestine it was/is done to Palestinians, and will be done in the future? In both cases, those doing the colonising assumed that they were/are the only people with any rights to the land, Americans having "bought" land from tribes who had no concept of owning land, and the Israelis having been "granted" right of settlement on land already setttled by people whose rights and opinions had not been consulted.

One killing took place 20 years ago ?

52 years ago Black September a palastine terrorist group broke into an Olympic village.And murdered the Israeli Olympic team,

Anniebach

One killing took place 20 years ago ?

52 years ago Black September a palastine terrorist group broke into an Olympic village.And murdered the Israeli Olympic team,

Oh my, yes.

How horrifying was that

Single attacks whose large numbers can be counted are more easily remembered than the deaths of two or three people at a time over years, or than a continued offensive that kills a total of 29,000 to 31,000 people over a few months.

10,582 Ukraine casualties since 2022

Here is a link to interactive charts published online by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs showing Palestinians and Israelis who were killed or injured since 2008 in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) and Israel in the context of the occupation and conflict.

www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

"The figures below represent the number of Palestinians and Israelis who were killed or injured since 2008 in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) and Israel in the context of the occupation and conflict. The large number of civilian casualties has required various types of interventions by humanitarian actors, with many incidents raising concerns over violation of international law and lack of accountability.

Casualties in the context of the ongoing hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel, which started on 7 October 2023, will only be added to this page once these incidents have been independently verified. Until then, reported figures on those are included in our Flash Updates and Snapshots. By contrast, data on casualties in the West Bank and Israel in other contexts is updated regularly beyond 7 October 2023.

Click, tap or hover over the charts to interact with the data; you can apply filters by time, area, context and affiliation of the casualties.

Elegran don’t add to the Palestinian PR machine when there are so many Israeli hostages still held prisoner, innocent victims, many have been killed already but there could be still 100.Spare a thought for them and their families and for all the over 1,000 murdered and raped, many of them children and inside their own homes.

Glorianny

maddyone

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

But it is Israeli bombing killing them and Israeli imprisonment where they are raped.
This has been declared a "war on women"
www.greenpeace.org/mena/en/in-solidarity-with-palestinian-women-this-international-womens-day/#:~:text=While%20progress%20toward%20gender%20equality,

It is always women who suffer most when men wage war. The bombing of Gaza is utterly vile and indefensible but for god's sake don't try to tell me that Hamas are a beacon of light and hope for women. They are a misogynistic group of men with extreme cultural (not Islamic) views. You would be doing women a great injustice to suggest otherwise.

flappergirl

Glorianny

maddyone

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

But it is Israeli bombing killing them and Israeli imprisonment where they are raped.
This has been declared a "war on women"
www.greenpeace.org/mena/en/in-solidarity-with-palestinian-women-this-international-womens-day/#:~:text=While%20progress%20toward%20gender%20equality,

It is always women who suffer most when men wage war. The bombing of Gaza is utterly vile and indefensible but for god's sake don't try to tell me that Hamas are a beacon of light and hope for women. They are a misogynistic group of men with extreme cultural (not Islamic) views. You would be doing women a great injustice to suggest otherwise.

Whatever Hamas are it is Israel who has enabled them to develop and expand. Where you have a people unable to leave a certain area, only permitted limited amounts of water and electricity and subjected to assaults by the military they will necessarily turn to the organisation they hope will free them. Palestinians have been let down by the other countries of the world and Israel has continued to discriminate against them.
During the conflict women are not just being killed by the bombing there is evidence that IDF troops have executed them after they have surrendered along with their children. There is also evidence of rape by Israeli soldiers.
www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

Trying to raise the faults of Hamas is simply an attempt to minimise the crimes of Israel

All deaths in war are horrible and cruel, wherever the war takes place, be it Gaza, Ukraine, Cambodia, Sudan, Syria, or a multitude of other places. But the number that sticks in my mind is six million. Six million Jews murdered by the Nazis. And no one protested.

Very few speak of it here

Because of that statistic Maddyone Israel has been given free rein to terrorise,imprison and murder tens of thousands of people for over 70 years.How long can we allow Netanyahu and his vile cohorts to get away with mass murder and war crimes because of something that happened nearly a century ago.They must be stopped ,its insane to let the Israeli government keep on their track of move people out destry their homes and build on their land.I saw today that Israel will build 3000 NEW houses for Israelis on the destruction they have been committing in GAZA.I stand with Palestine .As I have and many Jewish friends who march with us do to .We wont be silenced by bigots and people too scared to speak out

So you agree the King should not apologise for slavery,

👍 paddyann

How is it that they are being allowed to do this sort of thing? How far must it go before they are stopped? Just what is happening to our country? OUR country, I must emphasize.

Glorianny

flappergirl

Glorianny

maddyone

Hamas are a brutal organisation. Women’s rights are pretty much nil in Gaza.

But it is Israeli bombing killing them and Israeli imprisonment where they are raped.
This has been declared a "war on women"
www.greenpeace.org/mena/en/in-solidarity-with-palestinian-women-this-international-womens-day/#:~:text=While%20progress%20toward%20gender%20equality,

It is always women who suffer most when men wage war. The bombing of Gaza is utterly vile and indefensible but for god's sake don't try to tell me that Hamas are a beacon of light and hope for women. They are a misogynistic group of men with extreme cultural (not Islamic) views. You would be doing women a great injustice to suggest otherwise.

Whatever Hamas are it is Israel who has enabled them to develop and expand. Where you have a people unable to leave a certain area, only permitted limited amounts of water and electricity and subjected to assaults by the military they will necessarily turn to the organisation they hope will free them. Palestinians have been let down by the other countries of the world and Israel has continued to discriminate against them.
During the conflict women are not just being killed by the bombing there is evidence that IDF troops have executed them after they have surrendered along with their children. There is also evidence of rape by Israeli soldiers.
www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against

Trying to raise the faults of Hamas is simply an attempt to minimise the crimes of Israel

I'm not trying to minimise anything. I'm saying that women are the most oppressed demographic in Gaza by both its criminal oppressors (Israel) and its own misogynistic, draconian and largely self serving government.

I totally agree that this situation has been allowed to fester by an equally self serving global community which, in itself, constitutes crimes against humanity.

If the world doesn't care about Palestine, you can rest assured it cares even less about its women.

Oreo

Elegran don’t add to the Palestinian PR machine when there are so many Israeli hostages still held prisoner, innocent victims, many have been killed already but there could be still 100.Spare a thought for them and their families and for all the over 1,000 murdered and raped, many of them children and inside their own homes.

* Oreo* My post and link at Sun 10-Mar-24 21:06:24 do not refer to anything published by what you call the "Palestinian PR machine" It is from a UN source - the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

Had you taken the trouble to follow the link, you would have their history -

"Our History

In 1998, the United Nations Department of Humanitarian Affairs became the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), establishing dozens of field offices around the world since then.

In September 2000, the Second Intifada started in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt); violence escalated, many people were killed or injured regularly, and humanitarian conditions deteriorated. Shortly thereafter, at the request of the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process (UNSCO), OCHA deployed staff to the oPt to serve as focal point for the humanitarian situation. Additional staff arrived following another escalation in spring 2002.

That year (2002), Israel’s Prime Minister Ariel Sharon requested support from the UN in addressing the needs of Palestinians. Subsequently, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon sent his Personal Humanitarian Envoy, Catherine Bertini, to assess the humanitarian situation in the oPt. In 2003, following her recommendations, the Secretary-General approved the creation of an OCHA office in the oPt.

We established our oPt headquarters in East Jerusalem, and subsequently opened a sub-office in Gaza. Later, we formed field coordination units in Nablus, Ramallah and Hebron, covering the northern, central and southern West Bank respectively"

You would also have seen that the figures in the chart covered Israeli casualties also, and were broken up by the cause, age and sex, community, weapon used, whether the fatality/injury was to a civilian or a member of an armed group or disputed, and whether it was inflicted by a soldier, a settler, or unknown or disputed. A lot of detail to have been fabricated by a PR machine.

Israeli casualties were mostly gathered from media reports. Does anyone really think that not a single one of the Israeli media reports is biased towards the state of Israel? Yet the reports coming out of Palestinian territory are widely believed to be from a PR machine?

If there were, side by side, a German newspaper article from WW2 and a smuggled-out letter of the same date from a Jew graphically describing life (and death) in a prison camp, which one would be given most credence, and which would have been "just a PR exercise"? In retrospect, we know the truth - it was genocide. Should we wait for the verdict of history on this war before urging humanitarian action to prevent genocide ?

Trying to raise the faults of Israel is simply an attempt to minimise the crimes of Hamas.