Lee Anderson has joined the Reform UK political party!

Well that’s me ‘telt’ MaizieD as my stepfather would say! 🤣

Our prisons are over full. We need effective alternatives, we send far too many people to prison

growstuff

I'm not sure I understand you correctly GSM. In my opinion, nobody in their right mind would waste their vote on Reform. Their ideas are ridiculous and appeal to a narrow group of blinkered people.

My blood is still boiling about the skin colour comments - as you know, I have a personal reason, apart from the ethical and moral issues.

I only wish I could have "my country back" too. I'd like to return to a country where people were usually tolerant and didn't "reward" people such as Anderson, who really isn't the sharpest knife in the box. I'd like to think our politicians were competent, even if I don't agree with all their ideas and aims.

My opinion is the same as yours growstuff”

maddyone

Re the discussion about skin colour; I have a grandchild who is mixed race, Arab/English (White English.) His skin colour is white, whilst his eyes are dark brown and his hair very dark. He does go very brown in the summer though, but he doesn’t burn. My pleas to his parents to put plenty of sun cream on him often fall on deaf ears although I’ve explained, his skin can still burn and skin cancer in later life is still a risk.

Maddyone If my daughter has children, I honestly don't care what colour their skin is. Their father was born in Didsbury, went to a British public school, is highly intelligent, well-educated, is funny, kind, thoughtful, has a well-paid senior job, which benefits humanity, and makes my daughter very happy. If any grandchildren turn out like that, I will consider myself to be a very lucky person.

It truly gets up my nose that anybody can be so bigoted because his skin is brown and somehow thinks that people who might look different are inferior and don't belong in the country in which they were born.

Thanks for the clarification GSM.

I didn’t care either growstuff, I just thought I’d give an anecdotal example. My grandson is adopted, he’s a lovely boy.

Because my grandson’s adopted, I can’t give any information about his birth parents, although we do have that information, I’m sorry.
I’m sure your grandchildren will be beautiful and loved.

makes my daughter very happy

And that’s what’s important.

Urmstongran
You’re the member who just keeps giving. I bet HQ love you 🥰
Six pages and still going.
Btw, there’s no aside to this post just a genuine observation.

Last time I looked out of my window my country was still there.

CoolCoco

Last time I looked out of my window my country was still there.

Oddly enough, same here CoolCoco

Geographically, yes.

petra 🤣

growstuff

maddyone

Re the discussion about skin colour; I have a grandchild who is mixed race, Arab/English (White English.) His skin colour is white, whilst his eyes are dark brown and his hair very dark. He does go very brown in the summer though, but he doesn’t burn. My pleas to his parents to put plenty of sun cream on him often fall on deaf ears although I’ve explained, his skin can still burn and skin cancer in later life is still a risk.

Maddyone If my daughter has children, I honestly don't care what colour their skin is. Their father was born in Didsbury, went to a British public school, is highly intelligent, well-educated, is funny, kind, thoughtful, has a well-paid senior job, which benefits humanity, and makes my daughter very happy. If any grandchildren turn out like that, I will consider myself to be a very lucky person.

It truly gets up my nose that anybody can be so bigoted because his skin is brown and somehow thinks that people who might look different are inferior and don't belong in the country in which they were born.

You keep peddling this growstuff.
Cut it out.
No-one is promoting what you say we are!

Didsbury is up the road from me. I have Muslim friends who live there. Two are doctors. Lovely people and an asset to their community. You are being disingenuous trying to railroad what is actually being discussed.

petra

Urmstongran
You’re the member who just keeps giving. I bet HQ love you 🥰
Six pages and still going.
Btw, there’s no aside to this post just a genuine observation.

Keep it up, Urmstongran

There's nothing more boring than those nodding dogs in cars.
"Oh Yes!"

Ps that doesn't mean I agree with you btw.

But I won't take anything personally.

Urmstongran

He’s saying what a lot of people believe. He doesn’t focus on hating anyone, he’s just telling these extremist groups they will have fight on their hands, as we will not give up centuries of tradition for a future based on their hate.

So good for him. The time for talking is past, people want to see action and sensible progress towards ridding our country of those who wish it harm.

We’ll said Urms 😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Shinamae

Urmstongran

He’s saying what a lot of people believe. He doesn’t focus on hating anyone, he’s just telling these extremist groups they will have fight on their hands, as we will not give up centuries of tradition for a future based on their hate.

So good for him. The time for talking is past, people want to see action and sensible progress towards ridding our country of those who wish it harm.

We’ll said Urms 😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

👏👏👏👏

Urmstongran

growstuff

maddyone

Re the discussion about skin colour; I have a grandchild who is mixed race, Arab/English (White English.) His skin colour is white, whilst his eyes are dark brown and his hair very dark. He does go very brown in the summer though, but he doesn’t burn. My pleas to his parents to put plenty of sun cream on him often fall on deaf ears although I’ve explained, his skin can still burn and skin cancer in later life is still a risk.

Maddyone If my daughter has children, I honestly don't care what colour their skin is. Their father was born in Didsbury, went to a British public school, is highly intelligent, well-educated, is funny, kind, thoughtful, has a well-paid senior job, which benefits humanity, and makes my daughter very happy. If any grandchildren turn out like that, I will consider myself to be a very lucky person.

It truly gets up my nose that anybody can be so bigoted because his skin is brown and somehow thinks that people who might look different are inferior and don't belong in the country in which they were born.

You keep peddling this growstuff.
Cut it out.
No-one is promoting what you say we are!

Didsbury is up the road from me. I have Muslim friends who live there. Two are doctors. Lovely people and an asset to their community. You are being disingenuous trying to railroad what is actually being discussed.

Yes, I'll keep "peddling" this for as long as I want. How dare people think they can away with being offensive without being challenged? I have every right to "say it as it is" too. The man's an ignorant racist - an extremist too. Fortunately, the bubble of people who believe as he does isn't quite so big as you seem to think. Most people in the country are better than that.

PS. Thank goodness I don't live in Mansfield or any of the other places where these "extremists" support the kind of ideas Anderson espouses.

I'm surprised you can bring yourself to be friends with people with brown skin (or maybe they don't - not all Muslims have different-coloured skin).

What the hell was this about, then, Ug?

I want my grandchildren to grow up not ashamed of their skin colour

In the context of the UK at the moment a statement like that could only be truly made by UK citizens who still experience prejudice and racist comments because they are not white.

I think growstuff's response to this was perfectly valid. as it is only non white people who are targeted.

Umstongran. So good for him. The time for talking is past, people want to see action and sensible progress towards ridding our country of those who wish it harm.

This sounds very Trumpian.

Urmstongran You made yourself very clear this morning when you wrote "I want my grandchildren to grow up not ashamed of their skin colour or their country’s proud history."

I'm not misinterpreting anything, however much you want to squirm.

…£13 billion a DAY (just let that settle for a moment - it’s mind blowing) that this is costing us."

Urmstongran please can you confirm the accuracy of this figure? £13 billion per day - really? On what?

LizzieDrip

*…£13 billion a DAY (just let that settle for a moment - it’s mind blowing) that this is costing us."*

Urmstongran please can you confirm the accuracy of this figure? £13 billion per day - really? On what?

It's quite obvious the figure is nonsense. The UK plans to spend a total of £276 billion on the whole social welfare system including state pensions this financial year, which works out to considerably less than a £billion a day on everything.