Lee Anderson has joined the Reform UK political party!

But to come over and then attack us - verbally (mostly) or physically (scarily) - is just not on.

This is real othering Urmstongran and I find it shocking. I’m truly surprised at some of the abhorrent views expressed on this threads - fortunately by the minority.

Actually Casdon I think Reform are polling nearer to 13% - higher than the Lib Dems at present. They seem to be taking a dive. And Brexit? Pah! With an 80 seat majority to ‘get it done’ the government should have hit the ground running. They didn’t. Hence my comment about a ‘squandered vote’.

growstuff

Greta

"I just want my country back".
"my country. To me that means "I belong here, you don't so just go back to where you came from".

When somebody told Lenny Henry to go home, his reply was that it's great because it's only 20p on the bus from here to Dudley.

That’s a brilliant response from Lenny Henry.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Your rhetoric is right out of the racist playbook - we are all more than aware of this form of othering.

It is despicable and nothing to do with reality.

Breaking news Boris Johnson staging a come back to keep the Red Wall seats just seen on GB News 😂 don't bother Boris you squandered those votes. Vote Reform UK

Perhaps you could give a link to your ‘breaking news’. There is another thread about allegations of BJ taking over from Rishi - ridiculous.

GB News live just a few minutes ago.

From the Telegraph today:

“… getting a grip on immigration is not an extreme policy but a promise on which this Government was elected. Unless it starts to deliver the controls that people expect and does so soon, the advance of Reform will be hard to hold back.“

In one.

Yes that's why I'm laughing 🤣🤣🤣

Urmstongran

Actually Casdon I think Reform are polling nearer to 13% - higher than the Lib Dems at present. They seem to be taking a dive. And Brexit? Pah! With an 80 seat majority to ‘get it done’ the government should have hit the ground running. They didn’t. Hence my comment about a ‘squandered vote’.

This is the latest poll I could find specifically for Red Wall areas.
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-30-31-january-2024/

Urmstongran

From the Telegraph today:

“… getting a grip on immigration is not an extreme policy but a promise on which this Government was elected. Unless it starts to deliver the controls that people expect and does so soon, the advance of Reform will be hard to hold back.“

In one.

Correct Urmstongran, I'm fed up with the far left trope calling everyone racist if they are concerned about immigration legal and illegal, honest hardworking people have genuine concerns and for the record I have mixed race grandchildren Indian and Asian who were born in this country.

Casdon

Urmstongran

Actually Casdon I think Reform are polling nearer to 13% - higher than the Lib Dems at present. They seem to be taking a dive. And Brexit? Pah! With an 80 seat majority to ‘get it done’ the government should have hit the ground running. They didn’t. Hence my comment about a ‘squandered vote’.

This is the latest poll I could find specifically for Red Wall areas.
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-30-31-january-2024/

I live in a " red wall area". Lots of investment in green energy for starters. Funny I never get asked to poll or take part, neither have my friends. Short memories of the mess the last Labour Council got us in. Took 4 years to clear it up.

Getting a grip on immigration has nothing to do with the form of racist and othering comments we are seeing on this thread.

Conflating the two is typical of racist rhetoric.

Freya5

Casdon

Urmstongran

Actually Casdon I think Reform are polling nearer to 13% - higher than the Lib Dems at present. They seem to be taking a dive. And Brexit? Pah! With an 80 seat majority to ‘get it done’ the government should have hit the ground running. They didn’t. Hence my comment about a ‘squandered vote’.

This is the latest poll I could find specifically for Red Wall areas.
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-red-wall-voting-intention-30-31-january-2024/

I live in a " red wall area". Lots of investment in green energy for starters. Funny I never get asked to poll or take part, neither have my friends. Short memories of the mess the last Labour Council got us in. Took 4 years to clear it up.

One poll may be inaccurate, but repeated polls by different companies with different people taking part, over a period of time, do tend to be accurate however. It’s not about who we know, because we often mix with other people who reinforce our own beliefs, it’s generic, across all age groups and political persuasions.

Whitewavemark2

Getting a grip on immigration has nothing to do with the form of racist and othering comments we are seeing on this thread.

Conflating the two is typical of racist rhetoric.

Surely if there are racist comments here they will have been reported and deleted the only post to my knowledge that was deleted was by MaisieD.

Nicenanny3

Whitewavemark2

Getting a grip on immigration has nothing to do with the form of racist and othering comments we are seeing on this thread.

Conflating the two is typical of racist rhetoric.

Surely if there are racist comments here they will have been reported and deleted the only post to my knowledge that was deleted was by MaisieD.

My deleted post was questioning Ug's tenuous grip of 'our proud history'. Nothing at all racist about that.

I don't think that Iam64's deleted post had anything to do with racism, either.

It's very strange that some people can post ignorant twaddle and be immune to challenge...

For 'free speech' lovers there are some very sensitive souls on here..

I've just seen Iam64 post has been deleted although Growstuff repeated it, yes racist comments need to be deleted.

growstuff

It casual "misinterpreted" comments like that which are the reason racism is perpetuated.

rather like being told, when offended by a vulgar or gross comment, that it is 'only banter' and that the fault lies with the offended party.

Iam64 used a particularly nasty racist word for a Pakistani I'm not surprised it was deleted.

Do any of you Reform supporters have direct experience of the situations you are talking about? Any of you been shoved by an angry Islamic mob? Any of you been denied housing at the expense of a 'bogus' asylum seeker? Any of you been to a council meeting and seen it taken over by Muslims? Or is this just stuff you have been told by that nice Mr Tice?

Maybe I live in a bubble, but despite several recent visits to London, family and friends working there (live in a commuter area), DS & DiL living there, despite having a university with many overseas funded students here, DH attending council meetings in his role as Parish Councillor........I have never felt unsafe, never felt 'outnumbered', whatever that is. The only self imposed 'restriction' is keeping out of the town centre on a Saturday night due to the loud drunken behaviour.

Nicenanny3

Iam64 used a particularly nasty racist word for a Pakistani I'm not surprised it was deleted.

Yes, but she did not mean it in a derogatory way herself, she was quoting the type of racist rhetoric used by some people.

Perhaps a mistake as it will have been seized on by some who do not understand the context.
writing.stackexchange.com/questions/63455/quoting-someone-who-used-a-racial-slur

Thanks nicenanny for reminding me about my deleted comment.
My comment set out my wish that our history be taught well. I referred to some Brexit voters in my northern, former mill town believing leaving the EU would put an end to the numbers of immigrants of Pakistani Muslim heritage coming here. These racists clearly had no understanding or acceptance of the impact of empire or the fact these skilled cotton workers were invited here in the 50’s and 60’s because we needed their skills.
I apologise for using the derogatory word used by racists to denigrate these people. I can only assume that led to me being reported.

Thank you Callistemon. I hope I’m not seen as racist.

Just to clarify (FWIW) I have never reported anyone, ever. I knew what you meant Iam and you don’t have a racist bone in your body. Same here. I just don’t like extremism nutters (polite term) of any stripe.