Is there anyone who still thinks that Israel's actions in Gaza are justifiable?

Jan 2024

Israel has rejected those offers, arguing that Hamas could not be trusted to adhere to any long-term ceasefire, and insisting that the proposals for short-term pauses in fighting were insincere and strategically aimed only at helping the armed movement regroup from losses.

Hamas terms early February

“In its plan, Hamas has suggested a three-stage truce process that would see hostages and prisoners released on both sides. Each stage would last for 45 days, according to the plan. Israel has yet to respond to Hamas's proposal”

Late March

“What terms did Hamas propose for the Gaza truce? Late last week, Hamas presented a proposal for a potential truce deal to mediators. Here are some of the key terms of the proposal: Israeli captives would be released in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, 100 of whom are serving life sentences.”

I can find so many more examples.

Today's I player news concentrates on the killing of British Aid Workers and the world reaction.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68710949

There’s a reason that neighbouring Arab states don’t want to take in Palestinians.

What might that be ?

Two countries let them in:

Jordan in the 1960s — and in 1970 the Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanian king Husein. So he threw their leadership out in “black September”

Then in the 1980s the Lebanese let the PLO in, and they regret it to this day. What was a flourishing country and a real tourist pearl is now under Hezbollah regime with zero human rights and Iranian and Syrian “Consultants" heading the country to oblivion.

Those countries are not hostile to ordinary Palestinians. wiki:

"With nearly 2.4 million registered Palestinian refugees – close to half of the total of all Palestinian refugees – Jordan is home to the largest number, followed by Syria (about 584,000) and Lebanon (about 491,000), according to the agency's 2023 estimates."

I will never support extremists but unwilling to use their actions as a reason not to address the long standing and now critical situation ordinary Palestinians find themselves in.

You missed out the ‘regret’ part Wyllow. It speaks volumes as to the reasons I mention.

Sorry, Urms, good point. Apologies.

In regard to surrounding countries and their abilities to now cope with more refugees, they are saying, "no". This is a long article ahead addressing the issue,

"Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza"

apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d#

Candelle

My recent post stated:
There have been no weekly marches in London for Syria, yet Syria has had 75,000 deaths but where are the protestors for them? Or Somalia. Or Yemen? What is the difference? All are Islamic countries. The only possible inference is that Israel, a Jewish country is involved in Palestine.

I had a mistype: the Syrian death total is 750,000.

Years ago many of us protested about UK involvement in Syria
www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/28/thousands-attend-protests-against-uk-airstrikes-on-syria

Unlike its response to Israel's war crimes the UK government has protested about the actions of Assad. Along with the US!
www.gov.uk/government/news/thirteenth-anniversary-of-the-syrian-uprising-joint-statement

We are of course still supplying Israel with armaments.
Why are we not condemning their actions against the Palestinians? Why isn't the US?

The three British citizens killed were not Aid Workers, they worked for a company called Global Solice.

GS is a risk management company which hires ex military personnel as armed risk management specialists (from their website)

Nevertheless a tragedy for them, their co-workers and loved ones.

I wonder whether the remaining hostages are, variously, dead or have been abused to such an extent that the world - Israel in particular - would react yet more violently that hitherto. I very much doubt that many hostages will report benign conditions in their captivity.

GG13 I would think the security was provided to try to prevent International aid workers being kidnapped by Hamas and used as hostages. As was mentioned previously there have been many incidents when aid workers have been taken by terrorists. I doubt they would have been there to protect them against the IDF. Yes, it's a tragedy, three separate attacks, they didn't stand a chance.

GrannyGravy13

The three British citizens killed were not Aid Workers, they worked for a company called Global Solice.

GS is a risk management company which hires ex military personnel as armed risk management specialists (from their website)

Nevertheless a tragedy for them, their co-workers and loved ones.

It is normal for aid agencies to employ security personnel when working in dangerous areas. There were three separate vehicles some distance apart - these weren't random strikes; the vehicles were targeted.

So now there are conspiracy theories/propaganda(?) that World Center Kitchen is working for the CIA and the Global Solace employees were spies. WCK has now halted its operations to deliver meals by sea, which means that people will starve. I wonder whose interest that serves?

Glorianny

Candelle

My recent post stated:
There have been no weekly marches in London for Syria, yet Syria has had 75,000 deaths but where are the protestors for them? Or Somalia. Or Yemen? What is the difference? All are Islamic countries. The only possible inference is that Israel, a Jewish country is involved in Palestine.

I had a mistype: the Syrian death total is 750,000.

Years ago many of us protested about UK involvement in Syria
www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/28/thousands-attend-protests-against-uk-airstrikes-on-syria

Unlike its response to Israel's war crimes the UK government has protested about the actions of Assad. Along with the US!
www.gov.uk/government/news/thirteenth-anniversary-of-the-syrian-uprising-joint-statement

We are of course still supplying Israel with armaments.
Why are we not condemning their actions against the Palestinians? Why isn't the US?

Glorianny

You are supporting murdering terrorists, Hamas has been ruling Gaza for nearly 20 years NOBODY in Gaza disobeys them. The whole population has been intimidated and indoctrinated for that time, the UN can only operate with the permission of Hamas, all of the aid workers do and say what Hamas allows, all the journalists do and say what Hamas allows.

Hamas has murdered its way to power and is deliberately causing the death of thousands of Palestinians, Hamas IS Gaza.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

The three British citizens killed were not Aid Workers, they worked for a company called Global Solice.

GS is a risk management company which hires ex military personnel as armed risk management specialists (from their website)

Nevertheless a tragedy for them, their co-workers and loved ones.

It is normal for aid agencies to employ security personnel when working in dangerous areas. There were three separate vehicles some distance apart - these weren't random strikes; the vehicles were targeted.

So now there are conspiracy theories/propaganda(?) that World Center Kitchen is working for the CIA and the Global Solace employees were spies. WCK has now halted its operations to deliver meals by sea, which means that people will starve. I wonder whose interest that serves?

I haven’t seen/heard any of the conspiracy theories you mention.

I just heard the MD of Global Solice interviewed on the BBC.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

The three British citizens killed were not Aid Workers, they worked for a company called Global Solice.

GS is a risk management company which hires ex military personnel as armed risk management specialists (from their website)

Nevertheless a tragedy for them, their co-workers and loved ones.

It is normal for aid agencies to employ security personnel when working in dangerous areas. There were three separate vehicles some distance apart - these weren't random strikes; the vehicles were targeted.

So now there are conspiracy theories/propaganda(?) that World Center Kitchen is working for the CIA and the Global Solace employees were spies. WCK has now halted its operations to deliver meals by sea, which means that people will starve. I wonder whose interest that serves?

I haven’t seen/heard any of the conspiracy theories you mention.

I just heard the MD of Global Solice interviewed on the BBC.

The conspiracy theories are all over Twitter (X) - as if X posters actually know the truth!

Global Solace employs people in conflict zones all over the world. They provide security and intel to NGOs working in some of the most dangerous areas in the world. WCK would have seen Hamas and looters as possible enemies, not the IDF, with whom they had shared their planned movements. Little did they know!

Other aid agencies have now halted operations. UNRWA has already been smeared. It seems that any help available to Palestinians caught in the conflict is being scuppered.

To date I have seen no evidence reported from Israel to back up their claims against UNWRA.
Meanwhile Palestinians starve.
Even unconditional supporters of Israel cannot sanction this surely.

Meanwhile Palestinians starve.

That's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned. Of course unconditional supporters of Israel won't sanction it publicly, but they'll claim it's "false news" and nod their heads when Israel claims it's doing it all it can to protect civilians and prevent starvation.

The IDF has now made an admission that the strikes against the WCK convoy was targeted and deliberate, but they claim there was "misidentification".

Farzanah

To date I have seen no evidence reported from Israel to back up their claims against UNWRA.
Meanwhile Palestinians starve.
Even unconditional supporters of Israel cannot sanction this surely.

Ships loaded with food and supplies for Gaza have turned back now and other humanitarian aid agencies have suspended operations.

Israel claimed to be trying to target Hamas but deliberately targeted the food aid convoy.

There are political movements in Israel. Gantz has called for an early election and Lapid has called for the current government to resign. If you know anything about Israeli politics Netanyahu has a very slim majority, it will take very little to bring the government down. There have been big protests in Israel against Netanyahu. Fingers crossed. Israel needs a change of leadership, it is Netanyahu who has got them in this mess and many innocent people are paying with their lives on both sides!

This from the Spectator:
"It seems that some in the West are seeking to launder their reputations through attacking Israel. From Cameron to Biden, powerful men who have been involved in wars far more horrific and far less justified than Israel’s war on Hamas, are now pontificating against the Jewish State."

So true

Imagine how we would feel if 2,000 of our youngsters were massacred by terrorists, or taken hostage and raped, from Glastonbury music festival? What would a proportionate response be?

We would expect nothing less than our government taking whatever action it needed to stop a recurrence. Hamas have brought this ghastly thing on themselves, and their leaders smirk in comfy homes in Qatar, while the Iranian paymasters stir and stir and stoke the fire.

Hamas and ISIS care not a jot for the suffering of their fellow humans. Israel is doing the heavy lifting for everyone.

Urmstongran

This from the Spectator:
"It seems that some in the West are seeking to launder their reputations through attacking Israel. From Cameron to Biden, powerful men who have been involved in wars far more horrific and far less justified than Israel’s war on Hamas, are now pontificating against the Jewish State."

Doesn't make what's happening in Gaza right though, does it? Can you post the link please as I'm always interested to see who's pontificating.

Don't bother, found the article. Brendan O'Neill has his own agenda I don't actually disagree with him about Biden and Cameron but I do disagree with his premise that it's ok for aid workers to get killed cos they're just accidents in a war. Warfare has come a very long way in terms of accuracy since the events he mentions.