Is there anyone who still thinks that Israel's actions in Gaza are justifiable?

Anniebach

Farzanah I did read links at start of this thread but not now, they will all be anti Israel, I think things through, the surgeon
interview posted here, impossible to be true, I checked with several medics, the human body could not survive.
Israel will not allows reporters in Gaza, who feeds the sites where links are posted. The dismissing of Ukraine war, the civilian casualties given in February, the constant use of the children card, every video from Gaza - children, no adults, not true in wars, old and young die. World uproar aid workers killed, yes tragedy, no problem with aid workers killed in Ukraine. All human suffering is so wrong, Jew or Gentile .
I am told often here i don’t care for the suffering in Gaza,my faith has been mocked, I join in pray with all faiths

Some of the IDF soldiers have posted "kills" themselves on their own social media. Sometimes they're laughing and cheering. They remind me of hunters standing and smiling behind pictures of lions or elephants they've shot.

growstuff

Anniebach

Farzanah I did read links at start of this thread but not now, they will all be anti Israel, I think things through, the surgeon
interview posted here, impossible to be true, I checked with several medics, the human body could not survive.
Israel will not allows reporters in Gaza, who feeds the sites where links are posted. The dismissing of Ukraine war, the civilian casualties given in February, the constant use of the children card, every video from Gaza - children, no adults, not true in wars, old and young die. World uproar aid workers killed, yes tragedy, no problem with aid workers killed in Ukraine. All human suffering is so wrong, Jew or Gentile .
I am told often here i don’t care for the suffering in Gaza,my faith has been mocked, I join in pray with all faiths

Some of the IDF soldiers have posted "kills" themselves on their own social media. Sometimes they're laughing and cheering. They remind me of hunters standing and smiling behind pictures of lions or elephants they've shot.

It is wrong but happens in wars, certainly in Iraq and Afghanistan and of course Hamas has done exactly the same, yet I havn’t heard of them being accused of war crimes.

Yes, Hamas has done the same - so did ISIS, but they're already known to be terrorists, who don't stick to the rules. You seem to be suggesting that the Israeli army should be placed in the same category.

Although the BBC refuses to call them terrorists!

Hamas are never accused of war crimes, the reason given is that they are terrorists. Don’t terrorists commit war crimes? Can they not be held to account?
As I recall after the deadly 9/11 twin towers attack, the Americans invaded Afghanistan and didn’t stop until Bin Laden was dead. We helped as I recall.

Did the Americans and ourselves ‘stick to the rules’ in Iraq or Afghanistan?

US soldiers were found guilty of war crimes in Iraq and went to prison. UK was also accused and found guilty.
www.ecchr.eu/en/case/war-crimes-by-uk-forces-in-iraq/
Several countries with soldiers in Afghanistan were accused of war crimes, including the UK and in particular the SAS. War crimes do happen, that's why we have laws in place or it would happen more frequently. It is not acceptable neither is it justifiable and if countries know they are happening they must stop supplying military aid or they are complicit.

Callistemon21

Although the BBC refuses to call them terrorists!

I don’t understand this. Our government and many others describe them as a proscribed organisation. I understand this to mean to mean unlawful, well that’s what my barrister son tells me. So by what authority do the BBC decide that Hamas are not terrorists?

It’s actually quite interesting re the British army and war crimes. There is emerging evidence that pictures were photoshopped to show guilt. I don’t pretend to know the truth of it, but I do know that my father said ‘things happen in war’ when talking about WW2.

maddyone

Callistemon21

Although the BBC refuses to call them terrorists!

I don’t understand this. Our government and many others describe them as a proscribed organisation. I understand this to mean to mean unlawful, well that’s what my barrister son tells me. So by what authority do the BBC decide that Hamas are not terrorists?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67083432

This is the explanation given by the BBC.

People are getting muddled regarding Hamas and war crimes.

Armies are signed up to the Geneva convention, and are expected to adhere to the rules of war. Of course as has been suggested armies do break these rules and are often brought to account, and it is right that they are.

However, terrorists are not signed up to the Geneva convention and so can’t break the rules. To expect them to do so is a non-sequitur and the logic doesn’t follow.

Well that’s alright then!

Let’s unmuddle ourselves, Hamas cannot be criticised for attacking anyone because they didn’t sign the Geneva Convention, Israel can be criticised no matter it is protecting itself against attacks, because it signed the Geneva Convention.

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Anniebach

Let’s unmuddle ourselves, Hamas cannot be criticised for attacking anyone because they didn’t sign the Geneva Convention, Israel can be criticised no matter it is protecting itself against attacks, because it signed the Geneva Convention.

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Of course Hamas can be criticised, but it can't be charged with contravening the rules of a convention it didn't sign.

A poster on here asked why Hamas attacked the settlement it did as it was occupied by people who were getting along with the 'other side' very well. It is exactly because of that 'getting along' that this settlement was selected. Hamas didn't want their own people and the world to see that the similarities were stronger than the differences. It weakens their case and, more importantly, their power and grip over the population. It's the old 'divide and rule' principle. They got the reaction they wanted and ensured for themselves another generation of people prepared to resist an agreement with Israel. It's a scenario that works very well in Ireland/NI. It's a good idea, when dealing with terrorists, to ask who benefits most from an incident.
My apologies to the poster who asked 'why them?'. I did look through 8 pages to find your name, but to no avail.

Corbyn refused to call Hamas terrorists. He refused to condemn the IRA, this country was accused of crimes against
IRA, could it be - we hadn’t signed the Geneva Convention

maddyone

Well that’s alright then!

Silly remark

Consider Northern Ireland and British troops during the troubles.

There was a reason that British troops did not go into the Catholic residential area and violate people’s homes. It was because we stuck to the Geneva convention. The IRA didn’t but we did not use it as an excuse, to invade the Catholic area and homes.

One of the reasons Israel May live to regret their behaviour in Gaza, and losing so much goodwill is that if Iran through Hezbollah decide to cause real problems, then Israel is going to be hard pushed to find full support as has happened in the past.

Devorgilla

A poster on here asked why Hamas attacked the settlement it did as it was occupied by people who were getting along with the 'other side' very well. It is exactly because of that 'getting along' that this settlement was selected. Hamas didn't want their own people and the world to see that the similarities were stronger than the differences. It weakens their case and, more importantly, their power and grip over the population. It's the old 'divide and rule' principle. They got the reaction they wanted and ensured for themselves another generation of people prepared to resist an agreement with Israel. It's a scenario that works very well in Ireland/NI. It's a good idea, when dealing with terrorists, to ask who benefits most from an incident.
My apologies to the poster who asked 'why them?'. I did look through 8 pages to find your name, but to no avail.

I don’t think Netanyahu was protecting that area as well as he should have been. It’s in his best interest to keep this war going because he’s an unpopular leader and he was on the ropes when the attack happened. However he does not represent the majority of Israeli people and they are speaking out now.

WHitewave.

Consider Northern Ireland and British troops during the troubles.

There was a reason that British troops did not go into the Catholic residential area and violate people’s homes. It was
because we stuck to the Geneva convention. The IRA didn’t but we did not use it as an excuse, to invade the Catholic area and homes.

We shot them in the street, ‘Bloody Sunday’

I know of someone who grew up in Belfast. She went to a Catholic school so wore a Catholic uniform. She said the British soldiers used to spit at them as they walked by. She was a child.

Anniebach

WHitewave.

Consider Northern Ireland and British troops during the troubles.

There was a reason that British troops did not go into the Catholic residential area and violate people’s homes. It was
because we stuck to the Geneva convention. The IRA didn’t but we did not use it as an excuse, to invade the Catholic area and homes.

We shot them in the street, ‘Bloody Sunday’

And one soldier is to stand trial. Unfortunately, the investigation was a whitewash.

Whitewavemark2

United Nations Human Rights Council adopts resolution for Israel to be held accountable for war crimes in Gaza…

UN draft text calls on countries to cease the sale, transfer and diversion of arms, munitions and other military equipment to Israel…

The strongly worded text repeatedly names Israel, stressing it is “The Occupying Power”…

It demands that Israel end its occupation of all Palestinian territories and “immediately lift its blockade on the Gaza Strip and all other forms of collective punishment”

It can demand anything it likes, won’t make an iota of difference, the UN is a toothless organisation with a few undesirable countries in it.
Israel will plough on until it either reaches it’s objective or thinks it’s time to stop.Nothing will make any difference.

Glorianny

I know of someone who grew up in Belfast. She went to a Catholic school so wore a Catholic uniform. She said the British soldiers used to spit at them as they walked by. She was a child.

Rubbish.
It was Protestant Mums, Dads and other civilians who spat on Catholic kids going to school.