The new Rwanda Plan

The last thing the Tories want is for a flight to actually take off,

I disagree TinSoldier.
I think Sunak is desperate for a flight to take off. The sooner the better really.

My friend from Tanzania came round last night and the conversation got round to Rwanda. She says they will all be disappearing in this country rather than go to Rwanda. She cannot understand how people can “get lost” in our relatively small country. She says they don’t want to work in Rwanda or anywhere else.

When her British husband went to work in Tanzania he had a permit or visa for a set period. There was no way he could have got lost out there because they come round about a month before the visa expires and warn you that if you overstay your welcome you will be in huge trouble.

Can you give an accessible source, please?

My point being it isn't deterring people crossing the channel which was supposed to be a flagship point.

Small boat crossings, daily
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Date25 April 2024
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Date13 April 2024
Migrants detected214
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(Migration Watch)

No boats for the last 2 days. Could be the weather or Rwanda who knows.

migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker

If anyone's interested.

How vile.

It will take a longer study, won't it? And more than a few words by the Irish PM. (Issues in Ireland similar to here atm). No hard evidence.

zakouma66

How vile.

Yes people smuggling is vile isn't it. What do you suggest we do just let them all come over on the boats.

Nicenanny3 it’s the ‘migration watch’ that’s vile. Don’t you realise this is propaganda and you’re being manipulated. Why on earth do you need to look at this data? What is wrong with you?

LizzieDrip

Nicenanny3 it’s the ‘migration watch’ that’s vile. Don’t you realise this is propaganda and you’re being manipulated. Why on earth do you need to look at this data? What is wrong with you?

Why are statistics of any kind vile?

Statistics are very useful for future planning.

Statistics that are non-biased and neutral are useful. The twisted statistics spewed out by Migration Watch are propaganda aimed at influencing both political policy and public opinion.

From the Institute for Race Relations:

^Migration Watch UK has a Malthusian emphasis on population growth and could probably claim responsibility for embedding key ideas into political discourse about ‘our overcrowded island’, Britain being ‘full’, and immigrants and foreign-born families being the main contributors to population growth; and immigration on its present scale as ‘unsustainable’.

Despite the fact that mainstream academic research refutes these notions, as a leading social geographer put it, ‘places rarely suffer from having too many people, but frequently suffer from a few people taking far too much’.[18] Nevertheless, Migration Watch UK, with the assistance of key parts of the media, has proved to be able to effectively mobilise public opinion around its ideas. In November 2011, with the help of the Sun[19] and the Daily Mail, Migration Watch UK gathered 100,000 signatures within a week for an e-petition calling for the government ‘to take all necessary steps to get immigration down to a level that will stabilise our population as close to the present level as possible^ irr.org.uk

LizzieDrip

Nicenanny3 it’s the ‘migration watch’ that’s vile. Don’t you realise this is propaganda and you’re being manipulated. Why on earth do you need to look at this data? What is wrong with you?

Err no one is manipulating me thank you, I'm interested in how many are coming over on the boats, more have arrived today, what do you think concerned British citizens should do, hide their heads in the sand.

Nicenanny3

migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker

If anyone's interested.

Thank you for posting. I have looked at their site before and I am impressed.

Can’t see why anybody would call it vile.
Those who think it is might be surprised to know that many people from other countries who have settled here also think that the time has come to stop illegal immigration. I watched a prog with Asians, Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians and West Indians being interviewed in the street and they all said immigration must be controlled now.

I have nothing against statistics as such, but just to discuss refugees as numbers or a problem takes away the myriad stories of individuals as human beings. All lumped into the same category as LizzieDrip mentions.

As for the myth that Ireland is a desirable end point - read this from 4 months ago.

www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/06/ireland-offering-asylum-seekers-tents-housing-shortage-sleeping-rough

Rwanda is a total waste of money and it will deter nobody desperate enough to cross the channel. If the French and the UK are serious about wanting to stop people dying then every boat full of people that is intercepted should be returned to France (obviously by a safe means) if the act of crossing is proved to be unsuccessful every time this would be a bigger deterrent. We should then agree with France to bring a set number of people over weekly or monthly by safe means.

Just read this with some horror:

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-68907323

""Migrants: TUV distances itself from Reform UK drowning remarks"

If only the Rwanda money had been spent on speedier processing and asylum claim centres abroad.

Wyllow3

If only the Rwanda money had been spent on speedier processing and asylum claim centres abroad.

That wouldn't work what about the ones who are refused asylum do you think they would give up and what about the new influx of Vietnamese paying according to Youtube 10,500 euros to get here.

I see it as a sort of jigsaw where no one move is a solution, and that is one.

It's clear that better international tackling of the gangs is essential across Europe than currently taking place.

I saw the news yesterday and the plan that is much better than the Rwanda one is the French guards slitting the rubber boats so migrants cannot get into the water to come to Britain. They can also shoot holes in normal boats before they sail, just to stop them from even getting to our shores. How easy and cheap is that.

141 on 2 boats arrived 26th April.

There’s not enough people working here to pay for whom we have. It seems a lot of people according to statistics, prefer not to get out of bed, they survive by any means, so unfair on those hardworking people who do work and survive, just. Why should we be having floods of people her? For our benefits system, that’s why. Let the ones who think it’s good idea, take a family and keep them, but if course they wont just leave it to someone else.
French now slashing the boats so that could solve the problem.
If they are illegal send them back to last safe country they were in, if their life was under threat they would have stayed there. Bring back ID cards, they can ask for mine every day if they want. Those that won’t have one, stop any benefits or if they work tax them, we should be working collectively for our country.It would solve the problem of those getting lost in the system. We don’t know who’s here and that is very dangerous, we are being let down.

Sick to my stomach reading this. What on earth do you think these updates on the number of people arriving does?

People

I have reported it, its a disgrace.

RunaroundSue

I saw the news yesterday and the plan that is much better than the Rwanda one is the French guards slitting the rubber boats so migrants cannot get into the water to come to Britain. They can also shoot holes in normal boats before they sail, just to stop them from even getting to our shores. How easy and cheap is that.

My husband and son have been saying that since day one. 👏