The new Rwanda Plan

vegansrock

I can’t believe all the nasty comments about Germany and Ireland on here. So much petty nationalism.

Oh! I can believe it .

The first failed asylum seeker has voluntarily gone to Rwanda. The UK have already paid over £220m for this scheme but have given this illegal immigrant £3000 when he wanted to go there anyway. Does this country have money to burn?

Does this country have money to burn?

Yep, apparently we do Sarnia

LizzieDrip

Does this country have money to burn?

Yep, apparently we do Sarniaconfused

Apparently so for immigrants, the indigenous population not so much.

Sarnia

The first failed asylum seeker has voluntarily gone to Rwanda. The UK have already paid over £220m for this scheme but have given this illegal immigrant £3000 when he wanted to go there anyway. Does this country have money to burn?

Just think what could have been done with that amount of money! How many homes could have been built, teachers, doctors, immigration officers would have been employed etc etc. But no, let's try to buy votes by scapegoating asylum seekers and perhaps no one will notice what a mess the rest of the country is in. Pretty appalling.

Just think what could have been done with that amount of money! How many homes could have been built, teachers, doctors, immigration officers would have been employed etc etc. But no, let's try to buy votes by scapegoating asylum seekers and perhaps no one will notice what a mess the rest of the country is in. Pretty appalling

Precisely foxie!

nanna8

Katie59

Rwanda is safe by African standards, Kigali is a modern city with a low crime rates and officials are less corrupt than most.
Rural areas are basic, traditional huts mud brick construction with an iron roof, not really different to other countries on the region.
The government is firmly in control to the extent that freedom of speech has its limits, I was part of a guided tour so no issues but you could travel freely, although I would take a guide to cope with local language and knowledge.

Rwanda want the money and are happy to be employed by the UK to do their dirty work.

Thanks Katie59: I had heard that it is actually a very pleasant place and not at all what some of us (me included) imagine. Probably safer than some parts of the UK by the sound of it. Which changes things to a certain extent.

I understand it's a pleasant place as long as you agree totally with the government.

And if you don't - you dare to disagree with the government -

www.ictj.org/latest-news/rwanda-accused-broad-campaign-repression-against-dissidents
"Rwanda accused of broad campaign of repression against dissidents"

and www.ictj.org/latest-news/rwanda-accused-broad-campaign-repression-against-dissidents

"The 115-page report—which covers the years since 2017—also accuses the government in Kigali of routinely abusing global judicial and police mechanisms, including the Interpol system, in its determination to return perceived enemies to Rwanda.

"HRW details multiple cases of harassment, arbitrary detention, torture, and sometimes the disappearance of relatives of suspected dissidents—tactics apparently adopted to persuade exiles to censor themselves or return home.

“The targeting of relatives is a particularly vicious form of control,” the report’s authors note. "

Thanks Wyllow. Also this from Margaret Owen, President, Widows for Peace through Democracy:

Some 53% of Rwandans are not in work. Far from finding a job, any deportee could be forced to join the Rwanda-backed armed groups and participate in the horrendous war crimes perpetrated in eastern DRC

Who was it talking about the UK bringing in conscription? They also have a record of war crimes, particularly under Blair’s leadership.

They do, but not sure how relevant it is now?

The appalling civil war was in 1994 I'm sure we all remember
'By the time the Tutsi-led Rwandese Patriotic Front gained control of the country through a military offensive in early July, hundreds of thousands of Rwandans were dead and 2 million refugees (mainly Hutus) fled Rwanda, exacerbating what had already become a full-blown humanitarian crisis"

In Blairs time 2008 we saw the last of the genocide trials

"The trials continued over the next decade and a half, including the 2008 conviction of three former senior Rwandan defense and military officials for organizing the genocide."

Like most countries in Africa agitating against the current government is risky not just by violence but jobs and healthcare can be not available, it’s very often tribal based

Paul Kagame was the leader of RPF which won the war after the genocide, stability and control comes before free speech.

Wow, an epert in most countries in Africa. Amazing that kind of knowledge.

MaizieD

nanna8

Katie59

Rwanda is safe by African standards, Kigali is a modern city with a low crime rates and officials are less corrupt than most.
Rural areas are basic, traditional huts mud brick construction with an iron roof, not really different to other countries on the region.
The government is firmly in control to the extent that freedom of speech has its limits, I was part of a guided tour so no issues but you could travel freely, although I would take a guide to cope with local language and knowledge.

Rwanda want the money and are happy to be employed by the UK to do their dirty work.

Thanks Katie59: I had heard that it is actually a very pleasant place and not at all what some of us (me included) imagine. Probably safer than some parts of the UK by the sound of it. Which changes things to a certain extent.

I understand it's a pleasant place as long as you agree totally with the government.

I expect North Korea is too.

zakouma66

Wow, an epert in most countries in Africa. Amazing that kind of knowledge.

No expert, but having travelled to 8 different countries and have friends in several I’m pretty familiar with how it works. In many the Police and Army are very high profile, roadblocks are routine but always friendly to me.
It’s not much different in any country, just respect their culture, get local knowledge, a guide if you’re solo and tip generously.

Katie59

zakouma66

Wow, an epert in most countries in Africa. Amazing that kind of knowledge.

No expert, but having travelled to 8 different countries and have friends in several I’m pretty familiar with how it works. In many the Police and Army are very high profile, roadblocks are routine but always friendly to me.
It’s not much different in any country, just respect their culture, get local knowledge, a guide if you’re solo and tip generously.

Responding to goady posts just encourages the goaders, Katie59

You are very polite. 🙂

Just how safe is the UK though if you are agitating against the government? Not many countries turn a blind eye to that. Certainly not the USA.

Callistemon21

Katie59

zakouma66

Wow, an epert in most countries in Africa. Amazing that kind of knowledge.

No expert, but having travelled to 8 different countries and have friends in several I’m pretty familiar with how it works. In many the Police and Army are very high profile, roadblocks are routine but always friendly to me.
It’s not much different in any country, just respect their culture, get local knowledge, a guide if you’re solo and tip generously.

Responding to goady posts just encourages the goaders, Katie59

You are very polite. 🙂

I always try to be polite