Changed my mind about voting for Reform uk

Whitewavemark2 Sat 23-Mar-24 11:01:38
Anniebach
The party leaders debate on Brexit, Corbyn refused to take
part and in a separate tv discussion he criticised Brexit
I am absolutely aware of that.

I also took into account a man with a history of lying, corruption and apparently a moral vacuum. .

Yes so I chose not to vote for either

As against a man of evasion, anti-semitism and explicit support for terrorist groups , some of whom had murdered British soldiers and British citizens.

Ah well, we all make our choices.

Anniebach

The party leaders debate on Brexit, Corbyn refused to take
part and in a separate tv discussion he criticised Brexit

I am absolutely aware of that.

I also took into account a man with a history of lying, corruption and apparently a moral vacuum. .

I voted Labour despite my dislike and mistrust of Corbyn. Sadly,our excellent MP lost to a conservative- 400 majority.

The party leaders debate on Brexit, Corbyn refused to take
part and in a separate tv discussion he criticised Brexit

I voted labour because I understood how disastrous Brexit and Johnson with his past history would be - and so it proved.

Most previous labour voters who voted Tory - many for the first time in their lives largely did so because of brexit as well as rejecting Cameron’s austerity.

Agree MOnica as a member of the Labour Party I didn’t vote
Labour in the last election as many didn’t because we couldn’t vote for Corbyn

No, the last election was almost entirely about Brexit.

I think he has possibly confused what the non-Labour party member supporter will vote for with what left wing party members want.

I think a lot of the Conservative vote in the last election had more to do with ordinary Labour voters (not party members) being concerned by the left wing policies that would come with Corbyn, than them actively supporting Conservative policies. Now the Labour party has swung back towards the centre, the voters will return to them, regardless of whether the Conservatives have been good bad or indifferent in government.

Good luck with his efforts to pull anything anywhere. In the last election there was some research which indicated Labour did worse in the areas where Jones was out campaigning. I am not sure his influence is as great as he thinks.

PS this probably should be on a separate thread?

I’m not sure if you’ve misunderstood Monica, the pressure group is aiming to challenge Labour from the outside? I think you’ll find the majority of Labour supporters will be glad of the separation - and hoping that they will actually form their own party. Either way, it puts clear space between official Labour policy and the left, which in my opinion can only be a good thing.

I see owen Jomes and the new movement he is with want to pull the Labour party leftwards the way Reform has pulled the Consrvative to the right.

That is going to leave a huge gaping hole in the Left-centre - Right-centre, where I suspect the majority of voters lie without anyone to vote for. The Liberal party, of which I am a member is a total washout and not up to the job. Continuing my membership is more nostalgia than anything, my 'None of the above' vote.

Where is the new party needed to fill the gap?

Hilarious. Telling people off for 'believing' the rhetoric whilst producing a post full of a different kind of rhetoric.

MaizieD

M0nica

Labour under Corbyn was anti-semitic. If Corbyn had become Primem Minister this coutnry would ahve been led by a man who consirted with terrorists of all persuasions and whose inability to exercise authority would have enabled the wilder and nastier parts of the party to run roughshod over him.

Do you know, MOnica, the latter part of your concluding sentence sounds like a pretty accurate description of our current PM.

I continue to find it strange that while the anti-semitism exposed in the Labour party is rightly condemned the blatant racism in the tory party is largely ignored.

Im delighted to see Owen Jones has flounced. The Labour Party will be much better without him, let’s hope other purists leave with him.

whose inability to exercise authority would have enabled the wilder and nastier parts of the party to run roughshod over him

sounds familiar!

We all have our line in the sand when it comes to deciding what party to vote for, no one party will be fully 100% acceptable, to me anyway, so it is a matter of weighing up. For example, while I understand the hysteria controversy over the definition of a woman, to me this is a less important factor than funding of public services, fairer taxation, provision of decent affordable housing, keeping the ban on bloodsports. For some migration is important, and certain parties will whip up stories about immigrants, gender re-assignment etc and infer that all would be perfect if only a few thousand desperate people didn't arrive here every year, or if people just stayed with their gender as assigned at birth. Regrettably, a lot of people believe this rhetoric.

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M0nica

How typically British, animals before humans.

The animals cannot speak for themselves.

Curtaintwitcher

I had been planning to vote for Richard Tice's party but, now that I've read their manifesto, I've changed my mind. They support hunting, which I deplore. Killing animals for pleasure is morally wrong and I will not vote for a party which supports it.

Absolutely. Anyone who advocates hunting will not get my vote.

M0nica

MaizieD I agree. Since I have never voted for either party, nothing I say about one party should be interpreted as being support, or exclusion, of the other.

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MaizieD I agree. Since I have never voted for either party, nothing I say about one party should be interpreted as being support, or exclusion, of the other.

M0nica

Labour under Corbyn was anti-semitic. If Corbyn had become Primem Minister this coutnry would ahve been led by a man who consirted with terrorists of all persuasions and whose inability to exercise authority would have enabled the wilder and nastier parts of the party to run roughshod over him.

Do you know, MOnica, the latter part of your concluding sentence sounds like a pretty accurate description of our current PM.

I continue to find it strange that while the anti-semitism exposed in the Labour party is rightly condemned the blatant racism in the tory party is largely ignored.

Labour under Corbyn was anti-semitic. If Corbyn had become Primem Minister this coutnry would ahve been led by a man who consirted with terrorists of all persuasions and whose inability to exercise authority would have enabled the wilder and nastier parts of the party to run roughshod over him.

At times like this, though I miss a lot about the UK of my childhood, I’m rather glad I’m not a voter. Don’t like the look of any of ‘em but I do think not voting at all is not right, either. The Labour Party is still tainted by Tony Blair in my mind, even though I know it was a good while ago now. As for the rest, bleurggh, not a lot to choose from there. Still, on the bright side, at least it’s not Trump v Biden!

I was too busy ordering the champagne Casdon.