Changed my mind about voting for Reform uk

Seems to me that the problem with the NHS is that it has become a vast bureaucracy and patients are required to leave all thinking about treatment to the bureaucrats.
For example, it’s impossible to ask for add ons to blood tests so if a blood test is scheduled for x & y and a request for z appears, these requests must be submitted separately. So the patient becomes a pin cushion. This does not happen in Germany for example. It also costs more to employ two phlebotomists. Multiple this many times and it’s no wonder costs are rising. Nothing at all to do with Labour, Tories or Liberal Democrats but entirely down to the huge bureaucracy which is destroying our NHS.

JudyBloom you speak of the " commonsense " of the Reform manifesto.
You may have noted that they plan to remove NHS waiting lists in two years by incentivising employees who have left to return.
Do they have numbers for this group?
Does the manifesto state how many of this group are interested, taking out those who have
Died
Become too ill to work
Are carers for new babies/ sick family members
Achieved a better paid less demanding job
Returned home to Accra/ Budapest/ Krakow?
Does it suggest the numbers required to achieve the goal ?
I have no idea - and neither have they.
This is not commonsense.

I’m quotong from Wiki here - its description of what a far-right party is:

… they view their community in a state of decay facilitated by the ruling elites, far-right members portray themselves as a natural, sane and alternative elite, with the redemptive mission of saving society from its promised doom.

When Lee Anderson - the only sitting Reform UK - who was actually elected ^as part of the Tory party which considers itself to be the ruling elite … when Anderson chants: ^I want my country back … We want our country back … he is behaving exactly as the far-right do.

Don't be fooled.

JudyBloom

Reform Party are the only party with any common sense. They are NOT far right! That's what the others want you to believe.

“Common Sense”

Immigration plan “1 out, 1 in” 😂😂😂😂

Germanshepherdsmum

The reason they don’t say how they will achieve these miracles is that they have absolutely no idea. It’s nothing but a load of very badly written rubbish.

It is indeed! Anyone can say “We want….”, without the finances and the “how” stipulated, statements hold little substance. It’s not a Manifesto, it’s a wish list, similar to a child’s “Christmas List”

Why on earth would anyone consider voting for Reform or the Tories given the State of the NHS and all public services? The UK is broken and it’s entirely due to right wing policies. Right wing parties simply hate foreigners, want low tax and as little spent on public services as possible (tied to low tax). Frankly, your values are depressing.

I can not believe that some posters on here with all that is happening in our own country and in the world are prepared to either not vote or base their choice of candidate or party on the on the one issue of hunting.
Ms Pankhurst must be turning in her grave

manifestos can easily be ignored, like the Tories for the last election they didn't say they are privatising the NHS but thats exactly what they've done to the dental system. I want the NHS to be fit, healthy & well funded even if I pay more tax so I'm voting Labour they set up the NHS in the face of Tory opposition so they get my vote now

JudyBloom

Reform Party are the only party with any common sense. They are NOT far right! That's what the others want you to believe.

And so I ask again, just as I did on the Lee Anderson discussion - where no Reform supporter picked up the gauntlet, please explain the policies and how they will be funded.

Never forget that this is the Brexit party under a new name. Neither they or anybody else knew how to implement that either.

The reason they don’t say how they will achieve these miracles is that they have absolutely no idea. It’s nothing but a load of very badly written rubbish.

JudyBloom

Reform Party are the only party with any common sense. They are NOT far right! That's what the others want you to believe.

Yeah, ok, so what are they then? Middle of the road? Lefties? Have you actually read their manifesto?

Germanshepherdsmum

More than one intelligent poster has said they will vote for Reform. Have they read and considered what passes as their ‘manifesto’ or are they swayed by the rhetoric?

I too read the Reform PLC Manifesto, GSM, but I am not sure that the supporters on here (and anywhere else) have read it properly. Brushing aside my irritation with the sloppy grammar and punctuation, it is 'dog whistle' politics at its worst, all ready to appeal to those who expect a quick fix for their perceived grievances (immigration, NHS waiting lists etc) without detailing just how it will be paid for, let alone enforced. Zero NHS waiting lists? Really? This is like the Brexit manifesto, all unicorns and sunlit uplands, is aimed at the same people, the same people who will be seriously let down. As for Tice, being 'charming'......he makes my flesh crawl.

Reform Party are the only party with any common sense. They are NOT far right! That's what the others want you to believe.

Legal trail hunting following a scent laid previously with a designated route is not chasing an animal, its like drag hunting, and digging setts, dens, terriers are not allowed

Maremia

If they can afford to field so many candidates, you have to ask, who is actually behind them, funding them, and pulling the strings?

Arron Banks, don’t know if he’s pulling the strings (not clever enough) but he’s the one with the money.

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Oops! Sorry. Unnoticed typo. Reform.

(But you knew that!!)

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I think that if you read any Party’s manifesto you will be dismayed. Historically, what they say and what they do are always two very different things.

Time for a change. And on the basis of ‘they couldn’t be/do any worse’, I could have been tempted to tick Redorm, but I’ve seen no signs of a candidate in my Ward.

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In the past have always voted Tory but wouldn't do so this time. Can't bring myself to vote for labour either at the moment. Neither side has a real 'leader' and neither side seem to have more than a handful ( if that) of experienced individuals who have the country as their prime interest. Do not agree with the Reform party ideas and would not vote Green after the mess they have made of my local area and quite frankly know very little about the Lib Dems. Doesn't leave me with much does it?

Ghandi made the proclamation quoted, presumably aware of the way animals were and are treated in his country? And of the dreadful caste system that even today condemns so many human beings to an awful existence? Ghandi was not the saint we are encouraged to think he was. History will mostly. show our idols to have feet of clay.

Reform is a clever name, but really it is a party of the far right. Their policies might bring about a certain amount of private wealth, but there would be public squalor as they cut the services on which we rely.
Do not be deceived by their glib talk.

Good job! Though I would hope that isn’t the only reason you’re not voting for them!

I wouldn’t dream of voting for that fascist party.

If they can afford to field so many candidates, you have to ask, who is actually behind them, funding them, and pulling the strings?

Urmstongran

Well they’re never going to form a government so I’m going to vote Reform. I can’t vote for the Tories and Labour’s front bench and Shadow Ministers don’t inspire confidence. Dawn Butler, Lammy, Jonathan Ashworth, Angela Rayner. No!

But Richard Tice and Lee Anderson DO inspire confidence? Reform is a private limited company, owned by Tice and Farage, not a real political party. I'm not sure how that could inspire confidence.

Goodness! Is that the only reason???