Hunt, the Chancellor, gets his figures wrong!

t is also insulting to Labour Party supporters to suggest that they are more persuadeable thaan supporters of the other parties. Why do you think this? class/, age?, lack of education? Shame on you.

Huh?

I'm not talking about Labour party supporters - I'm referring to all those say they could never vote for Labour - and who, when reminded of this current government's record on public services, jump to their defence, suggesting that it's nothing to do with their ideology but blame immigrants and the pandemic. I've seen posters say as much, here on GN!

I don't think I'm saying what you think I'm saying. So no, I'm not ashamed.

But not voting Labour does not mean voting Conservative. It never has for me - and vice versa.

M0nica

But not voting Labour does not mean voting Conservative. It never has for me - and vice versa.

No, it doesn't and I wasn't assuming it did - I was simply giving some reasons why people say they couldn't vote for the Labour party, two of them given by posters on GN, being fear of "Corbynistas" taking over the party (highly unlikely) and Starmer leading us back into the EU - equally highly unlikely.

I do not think your first contention unlikely. I agree the 'Corbynistas' taking over the party in an open and overt way is unlikely, but throughout its history, Labour has shown the extent that which the far left tail can at times wag the Labour dog and the possibility of another infiltration of the party is always possible.

We have never been poorer and dread any unexpected bills. Never trust a Tory. Labour will have huge problems with the economy if they are elected because of Tory waste and mis-management. Jeremy Hunt is a very wealthy man and can have little understanding of ordinary people’s lives.

MaizieD

^Those who have faith in Labour under Starmer might well be immune to any 'smear' campaign levelled at him or the party^

They're desperately struggling to find anything to smear him with...

I think that the greater part of the electorate is so desperate to get the tories out that smears won't influence them. After all, the UK has fallen apart under the tories and they've not proven to be incorrupt....

The polls can't be so wildly wrong. Can you see the tories coming back from being 22 percentage points behind Labour, with Reform's results rising and them grabbing many of the tory's voters?

I’m not taking anything for granted, neither should anyone!

Personally I think the Tories have had a lot to contend with, not least the Truss premiership but I also think that it's only natural to be disillusioned with a party that's been in power for so many years when so many things have got worse for so many people. I just think that the rush to vote labour as an alternative will probably end up with us all feeling the same way about them in a few years time.
There just doesn't seem to be as many differences between the two main parties anymore and quite frankly neither side has a real 'leader' or an experienced, reliable team behind them.

knspol

Personally I think the Tories have had a lot to contend with, not least the Truss premiership but I also think that it's only natural to be disillusioned with a party that's been in power for so many years when so many things have got worse for so many people. I just think that the rush to vote labour as an alternative will probably end up with us all feeling the same way about them in a few years time.
There just doesn't seem to be as many differences between the two main parties anymore and quite frankly neither side has a real 'leader' or an experienced, reliable team behind them.

I disagree, there’s plenty of differences between Conservative and Labour. The current labour team haven’t had the opportunity to prove, or disprove, their leadership skills, only time will tell.

I do agree that Covid and Brexit were huge things which the Conservatives had to tackle, but to be honest, right from the start with austerity, several groups of people started to see their living standards drop, especially public sector workers, and we’ve seen rising poverty and decreasing public services.

Only time will tell if a change of govt will mean a change for the better.

knspol

Personally I think the Tories have had a lot to contend with, not least the Truss premiership but I also think that it's only natural to be disillusioned with a party that's been in power for so many years when so many things have got worse for so many people. I just think that the rush to vote labour as an alternative will probably end up with us all feeling the same way about them in a few years time.
There just doesn't seem to be as many differences between the two main parties anymore and quite frankly neither side has a real 'leader' or an experienced, reliable team behind them.

A lot of what the Tories have had to contend with is of their own making. Who elected Liz Truss as leader, and Boris Johnson as leader, who instigated Brexit, who had numerous MPs found guilty of wrongdoings in one term etc etc.? Any party in power is of course vulnerable because people want change and it isn’t delivered - but the current level of disillusionment with the party in power is very unusual because so much is down to them shooting themselves in the foot.

tories won't get in again thank goodness and if they did and kept the triple lock we'll be paying for our own health care just like they do in the USA, thats what the Tories want.

They all 'bend the truth' just like Boris did with his £325m a week for the NHS, 40 new hospitals etc. etc. even sunak does the same now, I suppose they have nothing to boast about so have to make it up

I agree that a lot of the Tories' problems are of their own making and I wasn't actually defending their performance merely pointing out that whatever party is in govt for 14 yrs will have committed a lot of errors and leave a disillusioned country demanding change.