Scottish island ferries debacle. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Maremia I was merely answering your question on related v untreated.

DP insists on no choccy eggs until Sunday, sadly.
It’s Oreo btw not Orea, but I’ll let you off this time as it’s Easter.

Such sweet concern Orea, or have you been at the Easter Eggs too early?

So very, very defensive Maremia I think the thread has hit a nerve with you.

MOnica, the word that jumped out at me was 'manager'. What is it with managers? The NHS workers and then the Managers, the Post Office workers and then their Managers. Off topic I know, but the aims of some company managers seem to be contrary to the good and benefit of the company. More interested in protecting themselves than solving problems. It's a wonder anything gets done.

Sadly Oreo, I will not be able to return to voting for Scottish Labour at the moment. My reason is this. At the last election, they joined forces with another party, to engage in tactical voting. I'll let you guess which party that was. Unbelievable and unforgivable.

OldFrill, I was offering it in the interest of balance and perspective, not as a defence.
Of course you will do things in your own way, just as I will continue to do so, despite complaints from some quarters.
As it is Easter Saturday, I shall give you a quote from the King James Bible, 'first cast out the beam in thine own eye, and then you see clearly to cast out the mote of the brother's eye'.
Or if you prefer, the Cabin Crew advice of sort yourself first before you try to sort others.

Maremia

OldFrill, yes that information is shocking, and also almost a year out of date. Meanwhile, in the interest of balance of course, I suggest you research and post on here about Bibby Stockholm, which is actually still in use for refugees.

Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not the one out of keel, not do l use deflection as a defence.

For those of you still interested in 'going through the motions', vegansrock has started an new post, which is listed in GN active just now. Some of you are already there.

Jaxjacky, thank you for your response. Yes it is disgusting that your surfing friends have experienced this, and I wish them every success in their campaign.
Meanwhile because, as you may have noticed, I like to compare and contrast, for balance, perspective and fair play, and will continue to do so, I sought some SEPA comments on this topic.
Their version of testing shows that 66 % of Scottish water is highly rated. Yes, that's over 30 % that is not. They state that this is higher than the average across Europe and significantly higher than England at 14 %. Now that is a shocker!
Online report today, possibly Guardian, saying that in England hospital admissions for waterborne diseases has gone up 60%.
At the Boat Race today, crews have been advised to not do the traditional swim in the river.
Yes, Jaxjacky, Scotland bad, but what is the word you would use to describe the situation in England?

Varian, yes, Scotland used to lead the world in ship building. The Clydebank Blitz, destroyed much of the infrastructure and it was deemed too expensive, at that time, to replace. Edward Heath attempted to save some of the shipyards, might have been UCS, so kudos to him, on that point. Post war market forces pulled trade away from our shores, in far too many industries, and not just ship building. We have all played our 'purchasing power' part in that. How much of what you/we buy these days is made in Britain? Part of the awful naval conflict against the Houthis, is prompted by our need to secure our imports from the East, as taking a detour will cost more. Market forces, again. Even the most quintessentially 'British' items are manufactured abroad. Our new passport is a good example. Where are they printed? Mostly Poland. Why? Because it is cheaper. So there is your answer varian. Market forces, in which every time we shop, we all play our part. Nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher, and nothing to do with the SNP.

Congratulations Orea . I didn't know you had been appointed Group Admin, with the authority to dictate how we may respond to posts.
Will get back to you about the ferry tales and voting Scottish Labour.

As I have mentioned recently DH is in the ship building trade.

Some years ago his company was negotiating a contract with one of the big Scottish shipyards. The yard management's concern was deciding which canteen they should eat in - there were 6 or more each for different grades of staff - . His company was much more interested in negotiating delay charges, because before they even started they knew that given the yard the contract would undoubtedly run late (it did) and be way over budget.

When I was growing up in Glasgow we were told that the Clydeside shipyards had build more ships than anywhere else in the world.

Now we can't seem to be able to build a CalMac ferry on time and on budget - or perhaps even at all. What a sorry decline of a once great ship-building nation.

Much as I'c like to , we really can't blame it all on Margaret Thatcher.

Maremia
Anything to say about the ferries fiasco? Without having to mention anything in England Wales or NI that is.😂
You are obvs another big SNP supporter despite all the evidence that points to their inept governing for years.Since there won’t be another independence referendum any year soon, transfer your misplaced loyalty to the Labour Party.

As you asked Maremia the sewage being dumped in Scotland is untreated , the information is in the Surfers against Sewage 2023 report.

Yes, Urmstongran, 'Matt' gets the point across in such an effective gentle way.

OldFrill, yes that information is shocking, and also almost a year out of date. Meanwhile, in the interest of balance of course, I suggest you research and post on here about Bibby Stockholm, which is actually still in use for refugees.

Grantanow. Yes, it's shocking that the accusations against Nicola Sturgeon have not been dealt with in court. Not sure why you are blaming the SNP for this. Do you believe they control the Police and the Court systems?
It suits some people that this case is being kept 'sub judice', because it means, in Scottish Law, that NS has been effectively and legally silenced, for the duration of this process. If there is incompetence, or design, on the part of the Scottish Office, then lay your blame with them.

GNs who are posting about sewage dumping in Scottish waterways, haven't had time yet to read your data, but I will. Meanwhile does this data refer to treated or untreated sewage?

Maremia

Back to you Urmstongran. Your concern for the situation in Scotland is laudable, and yes, a good Government will intervene effectively and appropriately. We in the UK will all have that opportunity soon, to vote in the best Government we can. As a point of interest, and going back to the maritime transport theme that you started, what is the Reform UK policy on 'boats'?

Talking if boats, mind when the Super Visa deal for Ukrainians failed and Scotland herded the refugees onto hired ferries much to the criticism of the Red Cross and Ukrainian embassy. Windowless cabins, virus incubators.
news.stv.tv/scotland/cruise-ships-in-scotland-inappropriate-for-ukrainian-refugees-says-british-red-cross

This from today made me laugh!

Your concern for the situation in Scotland is laudable

Why so? My 92y old stepfather hails from Wester Ross. A beautiful village. We often discuss ‘tartan’ issues together!
😊

Maremia

Monica,
You say 'effulgent' and I say 'effluent',
Let's call the whole thing off!
Seriously, why would I pass on such a beautifully timed linguistic gift?

OldFrill, at what point in this thread was anyone boasting about the effluent in Scotland?
I shall now stand by and watch the 'pile on', for you daring to try to deflect from the dreadful sewage situation in England, by referring to that of another country. (Anyone taking part in Saturday's boat race?) You will be accused of being 'petty', at the very least.

Stv report today
news.stv.tv/scotland/sewage-dumped-in-scotlands-rivers-and-lochs-more-than-600-hours-a-day-in-2023

Extraordinary saga of SNP incompetence. Not fit to run a whelk stall. And what has happened to the police investigation into the 'missing' money? Seems to be dragging on just like the ferry timetable.