Too many Union Jacks say Labour MP’s !

Galaxy

Yes the mindset of people on council estates, awful people arent they?

You say that, but I found it such a boon to be able to understand whats really going on in the minds of these people.

For example, If I see someone in leopard print leggings, (and sometimes I have to wait for hours and hours), coming down the street calling for Candrella, I cross the road immediately.

They never wear masks you know.
Brexiteers all of them.

How can they afford to waste money on flags anyway, I want to know?

Surely they need all the cash they can muster (undoubtedly gleaned from selling nefarious items on ebay), to visit that awful place, what was it called? Oh Wetherspoons!

Also, let's not forget it costs a pretty penny to feed the XL Bully that invariably sits snarling in the garden.

Too many benefits nowadays.

Still at least we can go on line and find our people, you know those whose kindness knows no bounds.

Think Kitty Patricia Routledge c 1980ish.
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vegansrock
What is the point of a flag anyway- all this faux patriotism and we are better than you malarkey. Why do political parties need to plaster it on their literature anyway? It’s not like they are electioneering in another country

So wrong, my country’s flag 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 does not say we are better than you, it says ‘I love Wales’

Yes the mindset of people on council estates, awful people arent they?

flappergirl

vegansrock

What is the point of a flag anyway- all this faux patriotism and we are better than you malarkey. Why do political parties need to plaster it on their literature anyway? It’s not like they are electioneering in another country

Exactly.

Like it or not, the Union Flag (it is not the Union Jack by the way) has been hijacked by far right groups. It is disingenuous to deny it. I live on a very white, Brexiteer, Nigel Farage loving council estate (they'd be Trump voters in the USA) where the flag is displayed in windows or on flag poles. Trust me, this has nothing to do with patriotism. It is making a very specific statement.

To return to vegansrock's point. We all know the various political parties are campaigning in Britain. Why do we need the Union Flag on their literature to remind us?

I said this earlier on flappergirl but no one believes me. Even though I know the mindset of the very people that display those flags.

Dinahmo

Buddleja

My key association to the Union Flag is the swinging 60s so it cheers me up. I guess later generations have had different experiences.

I caught the tail end of a George Clarke program last night. The furniture in the family's living room was covered in red or blue and white striped cushions. On the wall was a large picture of a Union Jack heavily decorated with flowers. It was beautiful and reminded me of the 60's too when colourful U J's where to be seen everywhere - on tote bags, mini coopers, clothes etc etc.

England swings like a pendulum do
Bobbies on bicycles, two by two
Westminster Abbey, the tower of Big Ben
The rosy-red cheeks of the little children

Buddleja

My key association to the Union Flag is the swinging 60s so it cheers me up. I guess later generations have had different experiences.

I caught the tail end of a George Clarke program last night. The furniture in the family's living room was covered in red or blue and white striped cushions. On the wall was a large picture of a Union Jack heavily decorated with flowers. It was beautiful and reminded me of the 60's too when colourful U J's where to be seen everywhere - on tote bags, mini coopers, clothes etc etc.

Maybe if you feel a bit crap , its handy to spout on about people denigrating your country? I don't know, some sort of red herring or something. A wish to return to a time long gone.

Who is doing this denigrating and endless criticism? Where are these fictitious immigrants that mock the flag and must be escorted to Dover?

I’m beginning to think I’m in a parallel universe
What and who is denigrating our country?
Is it the lefties (including me) who complain our public services are being run down by an appalling government?
Paddy of course loathes England and everything about it. That’s the most consistent running down. My immigrant neighbours from India, Pakistan, Poland, various African countries are thankful to be here - so am I

Well, I'm odd too then, Pantglas2. I'm pleased to see our flag flying and I'm not any of those things listed by you either.
Just proud of my country and fed up with it endlessly being denigrated.
What' s wrong with a bit of pride and patriotism. How about some loyalty instead of endless criticism.
I am not blind to our faults. But I am proud of our virtues.

I must be quite odd in that whenever I see someone waving their flag I simply assume they’re as proud of theirs as I am of mine 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿.

I never assume they’re racist, xenophobic, left/right/muddled middle and in mi Casa in Spain I fly the bigger 🇪🇸 along with my little 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿. My Spanish neighbours simply know we’re Welsh and love Spain.

Casdon

icanhandthemback

This middle of the roader is finding this conversation unpleasant too. It just goes to show how intolerant we have become on both sides of the political spectrum.

Me too. I don’t think any party, right left or centre should be using any national flag to rouse support. It gets really unpleasant when posters try to justify why they should or shouldn’t be used. It’s just not not what the flags are for, they aren’t political tools.

..they aren't political tools

Precisely. That's what the original post was about...

Callistemon21

Casdon

icanhandthemback

This middle of the roader is finding this conversation unpleasant too. It just goes to show how intolerant we have become on both sides of the political spectrum.

Me too. I don’t think any party, right left or centre should be using any national flag to rouse support. It gets really unpleasant when posters try to justify why they should or shouldn’t be used. It’s just not not what the flags are for, they aren’t political tools.

I agree with that.

That's why I said it needs to be reclaimed.

And that is why those Labour politicians are right

Labour MPs and activists say their campaign literature has too much emphasis on our national flag.

The flag is not a political tool.

Casdon

icanhandthemback

This middle of the roader is finding this conversation unpleasant too. It just goes to show how intolerant we have become on both sides of the political spectrum.

Me too. I don’t think any party, right left or centre should be using any national flag to rouse support. It gets really unpleasant when posters try to justify why they should or shouldn’t be used. It’s just not not what the flags are for, they aren’t political tools.

I agree with that.

That's why I said it needs to be reclaimed.

maddyone

But how would we know who was who and which country was which in the Olympics if the athletes didn’t have a little flag on their back?
Or is their front?

I’ve broken my own rule Calli
Oh well.

Yes, but the point had to be made 😃

I suppose they could have the country's name emblazoned across their fronts and backs but it's not the same.
And what about the person leading the team, carrying the flag?
Or should the UK be the only country not to fly the flag?

By carrying their national flag during the Parade of Nations, the flagbearer becomes an enduring symbol of their national values and indeed of Olympic ideals, not to mention an inspiration for future generations
olympics.com/en/news/flying-the-flag-what-it-means-to-be-a-flagbearer

Aksel Lund Svindal (Norway) Alpine skiing "Proud and excited to carry the Norwegian flag at the opening ceremony here in Sochi. Thanks!!,"

Jason Lamy-Chappuis (France), Nordic Combined “Carrying the flag will be a magical experience. I’m going to take in every momnt. It will be an unforgettable experience. This is a great source of pride and a great responsibility, and a real pleasure. I’ll be trying to do my very best.”

Armin Zöggeler (Italy) luge “This is an honour, a source of pride and of huge motivation. I will try to do my best. This is a new milestone in my career.”

Shane Dobbin (New Zealand) speed skating "This is a great honour. To wear the beautiful team cloak and to walk into the Opening Ceremony together with the team is something I could never have imagined. I am determined to make the team, and our country, proud. Seeing the New Zealand Olympic Team compete as a child was an inspiration to me and I hope I can inspire a new generation, too."

And spare a thought for John Eley, those of you making adverse comments about our flag:

John Eley (Great Britain), short-track “An unbelievable honour. This is a proud moment for my family, who have supported me through-out my career. It was something really nice to share with them.”

icanhandthemback

This middle of the roader is finding this conversation unpleasant too. It just goes to show how intolerant we have become on both sides of the political spectrum.

Me too. I don’t think any party, right left or centre should be using any national flag to rouse support. It gets really unpleasant when posters try to justify why they should or shouldn’t be used. It’s just not not what the flags are for, they aren’t political tools.

Amalegra

Some really nasty comments on here aren’t there? Personally I’m sick and tired of this constant denigration of being British. Yes, we’ve done some pretty awful things-show me a country that hasn’t! We’ve also done some pretty good things too. We can’t ever hope to climb out of this abyss in which we find ourselves at present without some form of national cohesion which seems well nigh impossible judging by what I’m reading here. Back to the original question- I am proud of our flag. I’m proud of the cross of St George. If some choose to see these as emblems of the ‘far right’-whatever that’s supposed to be in this age of the all too obvious left wing infiltration of our society- then that’s down to their wilful ignorance. Many people view it as I do, a symbol of our country which should unite us. Sadly others view unity as anathema and are out to cause division.

You are absolutely correct in what you say. Thank you .

My key association to the Union Flag is the swinging 60s so it cheers me up. I guess later generations have had different experiences.

This middle of the roader is finding this conversation unpleasant too. It just goes to show how intolerant we have become on both sides of the political spectrum.

Nobody has been able to tell us about a person from an immigrant background who has a problem with the flag.

Maybe, like myself they are just not that interested.

This wilfully ignorant member of the left wing is bowing out of this increasingly unpleasant thread

It’s the politically right wing that have been dividing this country for the past few years. And this thread is imo downright toxic….

Some really nasty comments on here aren’t there? Personally I’m sick and tired of this constant denigration of being British. Yes, we’ve done some pretty awful things-show me a country that hasn’t! We’ve also done some pretty good things too. We can’t ever hope to climb out of this abyss in which we find ourselves at present without some form of national cohesion which seems well nigh impossible judging by what I’m reading here. Back to the original question- I am proud of our flag. I’m proud of the cross of St George. If some choose to see these as emblems of the ‘far right’-whatever that’s supposed to be in this age of the all too obvious left wing infiltration of our society- then that’s down to their wilful ignorance. Many people view it as I do, a symbol of our country which should unite us. Sadly others view unity as anathema and are out to cause division.

But how would we know who was who and which country was which in the Olympics if the athletes didn’t have a little flag on their back?
Or is their front?

I’ve broken my own rule Calli
Oh well.

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