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Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

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RosiesMaw Tue 02-Apr-24 13:31:14

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Well pigeons, cat and among , but with reference to the particular examples she instances I am team JK.
Scotland is digging a massive hole for itself with regard to so-called “hate crime” and if it wasn’t that 1984 was 40 years ago I’d say it had arrived.

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 16:37:59

And this. Football match.
I have had a pig of a day already, so not going to find a non dm link for it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13263361/Ally-McCoist-Scotland-new-hate-crime-law-Rangers-Celtic-JK-Rowling.html

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 16:38:04

Another here with Team JKR! Taking the fight to Police Scotland rather than passively waiting for her collar to be felt. She has published a list of 10 men who dress as women and who have used this subterfuge to commit heinous acts against girls. As she’s said (tongue firmly in cheek) “you go gurl!”.

Mind you a third of the police are unsure about the criteria yet for arrest. This is one helluva dog’s dinner Law. Yusef is on a hiding to nothing.

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 16:39:04

Sharron Davies has been doing her best for years too.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 16:45:28

I bet the majority of men are on her side as well.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 16:51:37

If you are born male you have male chromosomes and remain a male for the entirety of your life irrespective of what you tell yourself, irrespective of what surgery you have or what pills you take, oh and just so there is no mistake - what the law says on the matter is also irrelevant in terms of biology as it changes nothing other than create a legal fiction - there you go simple really - JKR Well done !

Jalyn Tue 02-Apr-24 16:57:00

I stand with JKR!!

Aveline Tue 02-Apr-24 16:58:35

Elegran I had a go at the consultation but it's a typical Scottish government clunky format. They really don't want to be disagreed with.

Louella12 Tue 02-Apr-24 16:58:42

I think most people stand with JKR.

Rosie51 Tue 02-Apr-24 16:58:46

I'm with JKR too. I think a very telling aspect of this law is the total rejection of including misogyny. Would that be because they'd have to spell out it would apply to biological women abused and demeaned on the grounds of their biological sex and not some inner feeling? Why promise us a separate bill at 'some time in the future'? When would that be, the 12th of never?

Grandmabatty Tue 02-Apr-24 17:00:54

I am sure that there are many people who are trans men or trans women who quietly live their lives, causing no offence nor harm to anyone. Sadly there's a vociferous minority who do cause harm or threaten harm to women. On that point alone, I stand with JK Rowling. I've seen the horrific things they do and say on twitter. It's beyond belief.

Auntieflo Tue 02-Apr-24 17:03:50

Firmly with JKR .

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 17:07:05

Well done Yousaf and SNP, you’ve made Scotland an international laughing stock.

Mind you - remember a couple of years back in Covid times they mooted sawing the bottoms of school classroom doors to let the air circulate! You couldn’t make this nonsense up. It was pure Comedy Gold!
😁

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 17:09:06

They are ‘activists’ Grandmabatty a vociferous howling group with a very dodgy agenda. Good folk are gradually waking up to this nonsense instead of sleepwalking into it.

Rosie51 Tue 02-Apr-24 17:11:20

Urmstongran

Well done Yousaf and SNP, you’ve made Scotland an international laughing stock.

Mind you - remember a couple of years back in Covid times they mooted sawing the bottoms of school classroom doors to let the air circulate! You couldn’t make this nonsense up. It was pure Comedy Gold!
😁

Oh goodness yes! I seem to remember it stirred up some strong feelings 😂😂

Mollygo Tue 02-Apr-24 17:14:06

The act says a person can be found guilty if they communicate material or behave in a way 'that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening or abusive', with the intention of stirring up hatred based on the protected characteristics.
So if I’ve read that correctly, that means that the actions of TRA against females (protected characteristic of sex) are illegal and TIM going into female safe spaces or female wards or female competitions and flaunting that they are male or going into lesbian spaces and demanding that lesbians accept them as women, are behaving in a way that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening and abusive
Except that this law is endorsed by a male and he is unlikely to class any female objecting to TIM cheating and lying as being threatening and abusive
as a reasonable person

DamaskRose Tue 02-Apr-24 17:24:44

Callistemon21

No, she is not. She's a brave woman standing up for the rights of women and girls, which are being eroded steadily.

An amendment to add sex to the list of protected characteristics was voted down, despite cross-party MSPs raising concerns about why women were excluded.

Yesterday, protesters gathered outside the Scottish Parliament to demonstrate against the Act’s introduction, but Mr Yousaf claimed it was needed thanks to “a rising tide of hatred against the people because of their protected characteristics”. Pressed on Rowling’s views, he said the police would investigate if a crime had been committed and the Crown Office would decide “if there is a sufficiency of evidence to charge”.

The man's a dangerous fool.

Exactly this.

petra Tue 02-Apr-24 17:25:19

I can see the SNP disappearing up their own backside with this one. 😂

Rosie51 Tue 02-Apr-24 17:25:33

Mollygo they deliberately excluded the category of sex, it's sexual orientation that's included. They don't care about the awful abuse or endangerment of women at all. That's why we've been promised a separate bill 'sometime, never' There were amendments tabled to include sex but they were defeated.

DamaskRose Tue 02-Apr-24 17:30:55

Aveline

Elegran I had a go at the consultation but it's a typical Scottish government clunky format. They really don't want to be disagreed with.

This.

Bridie22 Tue 02-Apr-24 17:35:20

She can push the boundaries as far as she deems necessary to end this madness, im in JK s army .

LauraNorderr Tue 02-Apr-24 17:35:37

I’m with JKR every step of the way.

Mollygo Tue 02-Apr-24 17:36:23

Rosie51

Mollygo they deliberately excluded the category of sex, it's sexual orientation that's included. They don't care about the awful abuse or endangerment of women at all. That's why we've been promised a separate bill 'sometime, never' There were amendments tabled to include sex but they were defeated.

I know, but they can exclude it all they like.
Sex is a protected characteristic.

Rosie51 Tue 02-Apr-24 17:39:47

Mollygo

Rosie51

Mollygo they deliberately excluded the category of sex, it's sexual orientation that's included. They don't care about the awful abuse or endangerment of women at all. That's why we've been promised a separate bill 'sometime, never' There were amendments tabled to include sex but they were defeated.

I know, but they can exclude it all they like.
Sex is a protected characteristic.

Oh I'm with you all the way, just there won't be any prosecutions to protect women using this law. It's disgraceful and so transparent why they decided the protected characteristic of sex should be purposefully excluded. They must think we're as thick as them.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Apr-24 17:44:14

Earlier today JKR went on social media to hit back at claims she would be remembered by history as a “bigoted children’s book author”.

She said: “Again with the legacy guff... if your friend History thinks women don’t deserve sex-based rights, healthy kids should be medicalised, and free speech needs stamping out, I’m not interested in being his buddy. He sounds a massive dick.”

DiamondLily Tue 02-Apr-24 17:45:34

No, I don’t think JKR is pushing it.

She’s stating the truth and the obvious - you can’t change biology. You can identify as anything you like, but it doesn’t change the facts.🙄

I don’t think they’ll be prosecuting her.