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Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

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RosiesMaw Tue 02-Apr-24 13:31:14

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Well pigeons, cat and among , but with reference to the particular examples she instances I am team JK.
Scotland is digging a massive hole for itself with regard to so-called “hate crime” and if it wasn’t that 1984 was 40 years ago I’d say it had arrived.

eazybee Tue 02-Apr-24 17:45:52

I wholeheartedly support J.K. Rowling.

Freya5 Tue 02-Apr-24 17:57:34

Stand with JK Rowling. New law is a backwards step into medieval times.

Freya5 Tue 02-Apr-24 17:58:24

Should have said, Labour are also mulling this type of law, as if there isn't any already in our statute books.

Aveline Tue 02-Apr-24 18:14:17

Scottish police say that they're not prosecuting her. She's obviously a wealthy and prominent figure. However, she's also said that if any other more ordinary (not her word)woman was picked on under this new law she'd fund their legal case. She is such a tremendous relief to us Scottish women.

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 18:40:12

Freya5

Should have said, Labour are also mulling this type of law, as if there isn't any already in our statute books.

the 2nd reason[cant remember the first] not to vote Labour in my opinion.

Witzend Tue 02-Apr-24 18:40:50

Good on her! 👏👏

TerriBull Tue 02-Apr-24 18:41:34

Thank God for JK Rowling, who'd have thought even as recently as 10 or 15 years ago whenever this batshit madness crept up upon us, that ludicrous misnomers such as "her penis" would expected to be taken seriously and go unchallenged. We've already seen Nicola Surgeon disappear up a cul-de-sac of her own making when trying to explain her way out of the Isla Bryson debacle and when we read the testaments of another brave woman, Labour MP Rosie Duffied I think it's possible that there may be potential problems when we have a change of government.

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 18:42:29

Scottish police say that they're not prosecuting her

Could she get proecuted another way? Private prosecution for instance?

Personally, cant see how she will be left alone on this.
I could be utterly wrong.

Wheniwasyourage Tue 02-Apr-24 18:43:53

I’m with JKR

Freya5 Tue 02-Apr-24 18:44:24

fancythat

Freya5

Should have said, Labour are also mulling this type of law, as if there isn't any already in our statute books.

the 2nd reason[cant remember the first] not to vote Labour in my opinion.

Absolutely.

Baggs Tue 02-Apr-24 18:49:57

Paul Embery on Twitter says this (and it's bang on):

"She commendably used her status and influence to throw a protective shield around those who might prove easier pickings for police and politicians. She was effectively saying, "If they don't some for me, thay cannot come for any of us."

"us" of course is anyone who speaks the truth that you can't change sex.

Dickens Tue 02-Apr-24 18:51:35

Rosie51

I'm with JKR too. I think a very telling aspect of this law is the total rejection of including misogyny. Would that be because they'd have to spell out it would apply to biological women abused and demeaned on the grounds of their biological sex and not some inner feeling? Why promise us a separate bill at 'some time in the future'? When would that be, the 12th of never?

... good point Rosie51.

I suspect the separate bill will take time whilst they work on on ways to get around the thorny problem of having to recognise that misogyny is a crime committed against biological women by biological men.

Of course, there are also women with misogynistic traits, but that is a separate issue with a different dynamic. And such women do not usually sexually or physically abuse other women.

I'm full of admiration for JKR - she is prepared to stand up and be counted when she could just as easily lead a quiet and peaceful life. She will be challenged and receive the usual glut of hate mail.

If someone commits a crime against another based on the fact that they are, in some way, 'different', then that is, basically, a crime-of-hate, regardless. If we are to go down the rocky road of singling out various "others" to be protected, then women have got to be included - and, in fact, so have men if the crime against them is committed because they are a man.

It seems like all 'characteristics' are now protected - except that of being a biological woman.

Aveline Tue 02-Apr-24 18:53:23

And it's a crime to comment on it in your own home.

SueDonim Tue 02-Apr-24 18:55:18

JKR has played a blinder, hasn’t she? 🙌 If they go after the ‘woman in the street’ for stating that transwomen are men, not only has JKR said she’ll repeat the words so she can be arrested too, the police/govt can also be accused of going after only the ‘small’ people while the rich and famous are exempt.

I’m not one given to be all starry-eyed over celebs but I am definitely one of JKR’s fan girls today! 💖💖💖💖💖

Dickens Tue 02-Apr-24 18:57:57

Aveline

And it's a crime to comment on it in your own home.

???

How would private conversations in the privacy of your home be known about by anyone other than those involved in them?

TerriBull Tue 02-Apr-24 18:58:44

Aveline

And it's a crime to comment on it in your own home.

I'm always amazed how governments who sign up to such draconian measures describe themselves as "progressive", emulating the hallmarks of totalitarian regimes is shamefully regressive.

Callistemon21 Tue 02-Apr-24 18:59:58

Dickens

Aveline

And it's a crime to comment on it in your own home.

???

How would private conversations in the privacy of your home be known about by anyone other than those involved in them?

Well, I suppose if you had a group there for a meeting and someone took offence at what you said, they just might report you.

I really have heard it all now, Aveline. 😯

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 19:14:27

SueDonim

JKR has played a blinder, hasn’t she? 🙌 If they go after the ‘woman in the street’ for stating that transwomen are men, not only has JKR said she’ll repeat the words so she can be arrested too, the police/govt can also be accused of going after only the ‘small’ people while the rich and famous are exempt.

I’m not one given to be all starry-eyed over celebs but I am definitely one of JKR’s fan girls today! 💖💖💖💖💖

Quite.

That is why I cant see how she will be let off on this.

fancythat Tue 02-Apr-24 19:17:07

Callistemon21

Dickens

Aveline

And it's a crime to comment on it in your own home.

???

How would private conversations in the privacy of your home be known about by anyone other than those involved in them?

Well, I suppose if you had a group there for a meeting and someone took offence at what you said, they just might report you.

I really have heard it all now, Aveline. 😯

Or by all those household devices which are supposed to be listening to us?

Skye17 Tue 02-Apr-24 19:18:53

Aveline

Scottish police say that they're not prosecuting her. She's obviously a wealthy and prominent figure. However, she's also said that if any other more ordinary (not her word)woman was picked on under this new law she'd fund their legal case. She is such a tremendous relief to us Scottish women.

she's also said that if any other more ordinary (not her word) woman was picked on under this new law she'd fund their legal case.

I love the fact she said that.

Team JKR all the way.

sodapop Tue 02-Apr-24 19:24:53

Team JKR all the way here as well.

Callistemon21 Tue 02-Apr-24 19:25:48

I do hope the Senedd doesn't think it's a good idea and follow suit.

henetha Tue 02-Apr-24 19:27:58

Another member of team JKR here.
She represents sanity and common sense, in my opinion.

Doodledog Tue 02-Apr-24 19:33:25

TerriBull

Aveline

And it's a crime to comment on it in your own home.

I'm always amazed how governments who sign up to such draconian measures describe themselves as "progressive", emulating the hallmarks of totalitarian regimes is shamefully regressive.

That's the inherent paradox in this whole issue. Trans activists and so-called 'allies' pretend that they are liberal and inclusive, when in fact they exclude and discriminate against anyone who says things they don't like, even when they are clearly true.

AGAA4 Tue 02-Apr-24 19:34:07

Callistemon21

I do hope the Senedd doesn't think it's a good idea and follow suit.

Me too. Surely they have more sense? 🤔