Is JK Rowling pushing the boundaries too far?

Caleo why do you feel the need to use an ad hominem response?
Usually it is because there is no other way to defend ones pov.
Is that the case with you?
You can't therefore have much faith in your position if so.

What cowards people are.

So true, unfortunately.

Caleo

Callistemon , Alan Bates is not intransigent due to moral turpitude, or a fairly common disability of old age. His intransigence is due to his moral principles and his courage

People like Alan Bates, who are ‘intransigent’ about not allowing a lie to be accepted as the truth apply in many walks of life and especially in the subject if this thread.
Why would you, or anyone praise Alan Bates’ intransigence for refuting a lie and criticise other’s intransigence in refuting the lie that humans can change sex?

Incidentally

Moral turpitude refers generally to conduct which is inherently base, vile, or depraved, and contrary to the accepted rules of morality and the duties owed between persons or to society in general.

Strange that you aren’t applying that to the behaviour of TRA or TIM like India Willoughby who threaten actions against females TRA definitely fit that description.

Caleo

Doodledog wrote:

"Women have always been called things like 'intransigent' when a man doing the same thing would be 'determined', or 'have the courage of his convictions'. The comment is not only ageist, it's offensively sexist, too."

Old men and old women, statistically , are not good at changing their ideas. I used 'intransigent' as it is does not evaluate.

I imagine that Florence Nightingale would have considered the male army authorities bloody stubborn dinosaurs if she had had this year's vocabulary!

Ah, OK. Maybe I misunderstood. Are you saying that the fact that those speaking against the mutilation of children didn't change their ideas and back down, despite the abuse, the slander, the ruined careers etc was a good thing? They certainly weren't all elderly, though, by any definition.

Doodledog, there is a statistically significant correlation between advancing age and intransigent attitude towards learning something new. I hold myself well warned.

Maybe I'm being dim, but I don't follow your logic. If only older people were concerned for the vulnerable children at the clinics I might disagree that this was relevant but would see the logic, but as this is not the case I'm afraid you aren't making sense.

Your intransigence seems already to be part of your lifestyle Caleo. Which age group does that mean you fit into, I wonder.

It’s also wrong to make assumptions about people based on what you imagine their age might be Caleo. You may need to have a word with yourself about intransigence as yiu age because it’s clear, that’s where you are right now
You forget that many of us who are posting have lived through and contributed to great social change. Being of what you call advancing age doesn’t mean we’ve lost our campaigning zeal. Just thst we don’t share your views

Can you provide evidence of the statistically significant correlation between advancing age and intransigent attitude towards learning something new Caleo ?

Anyone who knew anything about this issue would know that MN not GN was the focus of the gender critical movement for want of a better word. If you popped over there you would find lots of younger women a lot more intransigent (translation brave) than anyone on here. No offence to anyone on here, I think the feminist approach on here to this subject is amazing, and I know many on here wouldnt see themselves as feminists

Worrying to see such ageism on GN, Caleo.
I refute the charge of my age group (72) being unwilling to learn new things. I have undertaken yoga in retirement, am learning a new language and starting on the keyboard.
I am not alone amongst my acquaintances .
However, I do embrace intransigence when it is required.

I think Caleo said she/he was in her/his eighties.

I may be misremembering (blame my age as it was a week or so ago).

I am 91 and still trying to understand stuff.

Caleo

Callistemon , Alan Bates is not intransigent due to moral turpitude, or a fairly common disability of old age. His intransigence is due to his moral principles and his courage

Did I not say Perhaps a better description would be indefatigable or tenacious.?

There is no questioning his moral principles but a degree of tenaciousness is needed too in the face of such lies and opposition.

I do wonder if you are goading us?

Doodledog, I wish I had not mentioned older people's tending more than younger people to have entrenched attitudes. It is a minor point, because the real danger and insult to trans people seems to be from society in general not providing sufficient facilities and education about trans people.

For instance, as an old woman myself recently recovered from a stroke I know how important it is that being bed bathed and toileted is done by care staff who are experienced in helping naked people at their most vulnerable, and I hope that an elderly trans man or trans woman in a care home or hospital will be psychologically as well cared for as I was .

Callistemon, don't tempt me!

Caleo I know someone who used to be a nurse, assisting at the surgery and care of transition patients back when "the op" was the only route to transitioning. She had the utmost respect for those distressed patients and their bravery at facing what was (still is) a major operation, and the post-operative ramifications of it. I am sure elderly trans people will get the same treatment from professional carers as elderly non-trans ones do. (Admittedly, it is possible that ANY vulnerable elderly patient may fall foul of a carer with lower standards - who should not be working with ANY vulnerable patient)

Caleo

Doodledog, I wish I had not mentioned older people's tending more than younger people to have entrenched attitudes. It is a minor point, because the real danger and insult to trans people seems to be from society in general not providing sufficient facilities and education about trans people.

For instance, as an old woman myself recently recovered from a stroke I know how important it is that being bed bathed and toileted is done by care staff who are experienced in helping naked people at their most vulnerable, and I hope that an elderly trans man or trans woman in a care home or hospital will be psychologically as well cared for as I was .

Fair enough. We all say things that we wish we hadn't from time to time, and (as I know) it's maddening when something you didn't mean to be the main point ends up diverting the conversation from what you meant to say.

I don't believe, however, that the majority of the objections on GN come from people who are simply in need of education about transpeople. Many posters have transpeople in their families, and most if not all of us have met and/or worked with trans and non-binary people. Our concern is not with transpeople themselves, but with the way the trans agenda is being imposed on society to the detriment of women.

The language is being altered to exclude women, sport is becoming a male domain, data from research is unreliable because males are being recorded as females, simply at their say-so. There are fewer places of safety for women as anyone can access what used to be safe spaces simply by saying that they are women in their heads, even though they are male in their bodies. It goes on and on.

None of this means that anyone would want to see vulnerable transpeople* humiliated or in any way harmed. That is not what we are saying at all, and I share your hope that everyone being cared for is treated with respect both physically and psychologically.

* That is not to say that all transpeople are 'the most vulnerable group in society', as the mantra goes. They are not. TRAs are often strong men who enjoy using their strength and testosterone-fuelled anger against vulnerable women. If the hyperbole stopped, and the issue could be debate properly, without violence or coercion such as that faced by the likes of Kathleen Stock and others, then progress could be made.

On the whole, women (adult human females) are pretty good at compromise, but when our willingness to 'be kind' is used against us it is not unreasonable that we decide we've had enough and fight back.

Excellent post Doodledog

Our friend who is trans is a very humble unassuming woman. Certainly not and never aggressive or confrontational. She is the most talented person we know and she has actually been through hell at times. I suspect most genuine trans people are similar. Not loud mouthed, rude and aggressive in any way. I am very,very suspicious of the motives of these self righteous loud mouths and actually doubt they are genuine.

Which self-righteous loudmouths are these, nanna8?

Doodledog

Which self-righteous loudmouths are these, nanna8?

Perhaps the ones mentioned by JKR?

I assumed that nanna8 is talking about the TRAs who are trying to take away women's rights in favour of trans rights.

That's how I interpreted nanna's last post.