The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

I have copyrighted it.

Again, can some provide evidence of when Rayner has been critical of Right to Buy other than what she has been open about - her objection to the Tory increase in the discount to 60%. She bought her house with a 25% discount.

The link in the Independent article criticism over the sale of a former council house goes to a piece about Gaza. The link about pulling up the ladder goes to a piece about statutory sick pay.

The Chartered Institute of Housing have already said that homes are being sold at a discount exceeding what tenants have paid in rent. I have already posted about this.

Let me ask this of private landlords. Would you give allow your tenant to buy the property they have rented from you giving them a 60% discount on open market value at all and especially if it exceeded the rent they had paid you? I think the answer to that would be a resounding no.

Also, be cautious of what Ashcroft says. According to one reviewer, he admits in the acknowledgements of his own book that he did not do the research for it.

I have copyrighted it.

I’ll risk using it GSM!

I have valid and logical arguments not that any of the Rayner haters are acknowledging them.

I've lost count of how many times I have now posted this but nobody wants to read or admit it here.

The Electoral Commission’s own website says that if you divide your time between residences you can register at either or even both address so long as you do not vote more than once in a GE or referendum. If the properties are in different wards you can vote in council elections in both.

Why is no bloody journalist - tabloid or broadsheet checking this? I can see it. Why can’t they?

I have also posted about the timeline for the 2015 GE.

Rayner had sold her house before Parliament was dissolved and the date set for the GE. The deadline for nomination forms to be submitted was after she had sold her house. Even if she had put her old address on the nomination forms - possibly because she has completed them before the deadline (this was not a snap election) she would at most have received a caution if her old address had been printed on the ballot - which is what happened to a DUP candidate in 2019.

Again, what wrong has she done? What fraud has she committed bearing in mind that the definition of fraud is the using of false representations to obtain an unjust advantage or to injure the rights or interests of another.

What unjust advantage has she obtained? Whose rights or interests has she injured?

Desperate times for all Tories is the reason TinSoldier, drowning men clutch at straws. The tone of this thread has become quite spiteful I think. If she has deliberately broken the law not one person has condoned that, but still the same people keep on attempting to stick the knife in a bit deeper. Rationality is nothing to do with it, that’s why you’re being ignored.

Why is no bloody journalist - tabloid or broadsheet checking this? I can see it. Why can’t they?

You’re so right TinSoldier, and so well-informed. Thank you To answer your question … no-body wants to find the truth. Our government and media have become so corrupt that truth no longer matters. We really are living in the post-truth era. The only hope remaining is that the police still regard truth as important (although I’m not sure about that)! The police should not have given in to bullying by a Tory MP; they investigated this issue once and made a judgment; they should not be wasting time and money on this!

What the Electoral Commission say about dividing your time between two residences is not quite as you say TS. If Rayner had let the house she owned to her brother she would hardly have been resident there, would she?
www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/who-can-vote/other-registration-options/voting-and-second-homes

Is it 'letting' if the person living in it pays no rent?

Is this your area of legal expertise, GSM?

Why can’t a sister and brother live in the same house

It is exactly as I said. Here:

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/who-can-vote/other-registration-options/voting-and-second-homes

It says:

If you split your time between two homes, you may be able to register to vote at both addresses. For example, you might own two properties and split your time between them, or you might spend time at different family addresses.

Rayner's brother is her family. If she spends time at a different family address she can register there.

Again, even if the time she spend at her owned property was limited, what fraud has she committed? What unjust advantage has she obtained? Whose rights or interests has she injured?

Again, the Electoral Commission says that fraud includes:

*making false statements about the personal character of a candidate
*offering an incentive to someone to get them to vote, to vote a certain way, or to stop them from voting
*interfering with postal votes
*including false statements or signatures on a candidate’s nomination forms
*registering to vote under a false name or without someone’s consent
*influencing someone to vote against their will
*pretending to be someone else and using their vote

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/report-electoral-fraud

Is she alleged to have done any of those things?

MaizieD

Is it 'letting' if the person living in it pays no rent?

Is this your area of legal expertise, GSM?

Suggesting -however respectfully - that GSM does not know that whereof she speaks?

Anyway there seem to be a lot of barrack room lawyers so I’ll keep out of the rights and wrongs.

So I’ll just offer this to lighten the mood perhaps?

MaizieD

Is it 'letting' if the person living in it pays no rent?

Is this your area of legal expertise, GSM?

Yes, and yes.

RosiesMaw

Anyway there seem to be a lot of barrack room lawyers so I’ll keep out of the rights and wrongs.

So I’ll just offer this to lighten the mood perhaps?

Again Matt nails it 😂😂😂

If Rayner was not living in the house she owned because she had let it to her brother, she was not dividing her time between two homes. Her neighbours have said she didn’t live there. One called her an effing liar. No shortage of witnesses it seems.

I remember a lot of MPs, including the Yvette and Ed Balls, got very confused about two homes and the rules about flipping.

It must be very confusing for those who have more than one home.

Why would anyone trust Rayner's ex neighbours?
Presumably thay are similar to her.
Speak roughly, are coarse and abrasive, and generally not "the sort of people" to be trusted.

Her neighbours have said she didn’t live there. One called her an effing liar.

Malicious gossip! I dare say one of my neighbours would call me an effing liar and I would call her the same. Neither based on truth or evidence but based on the fact that we can’t effing stand each other

If you genuinely divide your time between two homes you may be able to register both but the Electoral Commission looks at things on a case by case basis. If you have let one of the homes you don’t live there. The basis of registration at an address is whether that address can be considered your permanent residence. If you spend half your time in one house and half in another then both might fall within that definition. But not if you have let one and therefore spend all your time in the other.

MissAdventure

Why would anyone trust Rayner's ex neighbours?
Presumably thay are similar to her.
Speak roughly, are coarse and abrasive, and generally not "the sort of people" to be trusted.

Come on now, I’m sure they are pillars of moral rectitude!

^Why would anyone trust Rayner's ex neighbours?
Presumably thay are similar to her.
Speak roughly, are coarse and abrasive, and generally not "the sort of people" to be trusted.^

Quite MissA. Very unreliable witnesses I would imagine!

Suddenly they are, it seems.

Germanshepherdsmum

If you genuinely divide your time between two homes you may be able to register both but the Electoral Commission looks at things on a case by case basis. If you have let one of the homes you don’t live there. The basis of registration at an address is whether that address can be considered your permanent residence. If you spend half your time in one house and half in another then both might fall within that definition. But not if you have let one and therefore spend all your time in the other.

But that's not relevant to the accusations against Angel Rayner. Where she was registered to vote hasn't even been mentioned.

As I said above, once it gets to the point of door stepping neighbours and vitriolic attacks on Raynor personally I support the no comment approach until it has been investigated, including the source of advice and the issue of intentionality.

LizzieDrip

^Her neighbours have said she didn’t live there. One called her an effing liar.^

Malicious gossip! I dare say one of my neighbours would call me an effing liar and I would call her the same. Neither based on truth or evidence but based on the fact that we can’t effing stand each other

I once had a truly "delightful" neighbour, who accused me of smoking and blowing the smoke into his garden. He also wrote to my landlord and said he'd witnessed me coming home drunk and falling over in the road.

Both the above were amazing because I have never smoked and hardly ever drunk any alcohol.

He approached me once and started swearing at me, making the accusations. I was shaken, so told him to go to Specsavers. That was a huge mistake on my part because he then assaulted me, leaving bruising on my arm.

I went to the police and reported it. Amazingly, the police took action and issued my neighbour with a caution and arranged for a female police officer to give me her direct contact details, in case anything similar happened.

I found out on the grapevine years later that he was struggling to pay the mortgage and wanted a council house. He didn't qualify because he already had a property, so claimed that living next door to me was intolerable and he needed to move. Fortunately, he did sell up after that and found somewhere to rent. Maybe he ended up as Angela Rayner's neighbour!

PS. Most of my neighbours have been lovely - he was the only "coarse" one I've ever had.