The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

And yet, on this very thread, AR has been ridiculed for not working hard enough to ‘better herself’. It beggars belief!

Sitting there, with her long red hair flowing, her nvq 2, and her mother.
Hurrhump!!!!!

Iam64

Angela Raynor and her mother have nothing to be ashamed of.

No, they don't. I've watched the interview on ITV(?) with Rayner and her mother. It's quite obvious from what they both say and the body language that there's a very close bond between the two. Her mother seems proud of her daughter's achievements and Rayner talks lovingly and non-patronisingly to her mother about the difficulties she faced. For me, the takeaway message was that, with the right encouragement and support, people in dire circumstances can overcome their start in life. Rayner obviously thinks that the Labour Party gave her the encouragement and support she needed.

She emphasises that point in her interview with Rory Stewart. She's quite open that she made mistakes when younger and takes responsibility for them. She also talks about her family because this was a family living in circumstances which few could imagine. To be honest, she's a role model for anybody who makes excuses for themselves - she certainly doesn't and I don't think she's even wanting sympathy.

Rayner is on record as being tough in her attitude to crime. She holds no truc with those who see a dysfunctional home life as an "excuse" for crime. I'd love to see an interview between her and the ghost of Thatcher because I have a suspicion that the two of them would find common ground on some issues.

MissAdventure

Sitting there, with her long red hair flowing, her nvq 2, and her mother.
Hurrhump!!!!!

And her provocative legs, which a certain former PM couldn't keep his eyes off (allegedly),

Oh yes, I'd forgotten that!!

I have never been a fan of Angela Raynor since she called the Tories "scum". Would she appreciate being called that? No one would, and it's despicable and inappropriate for someone in her position.

But watching that interview with her mother, I suddenly found myself liking her.

One might also look at Rayner’s anecdotes about her mother in another way. It’s highlighting the difficulties that anyone with impaired reading ability might encounter when shopping in this self-service age where, for most products, we no longer ask the grocer for what we want.

Poor literacy, English as a second language, learning difficulties, declining mental function or impaired vision can make self-service shopping difficult for many people. If the graphics on food labelling are poorly thought out, people can make mistakes.

Not everyone shops in large supermarkets where product types are grouped together in long aisles. Poorer people may shop in street markets and pound shops where cheaper products can be jumbled together; where what is on offer can be random and fleeting.

Look at this product. The image is taken from the website of a major retailer. What tells you this is dog food unless you are a dog owner and know that Butcher’s is a pet food brand? The only verbal clue is “vet recommended” on a small label which, if you can't read, you can't read. The graphic of a chicken, a salmon and a turkey doesn’t scream dog food.

Taking this off-topic for a minute, to draw on a recent discussion about WASPI pensions and why two DWP publicity campaigns failed to reach the target demographic. The first featured a Monopoly board and the second featured two dogs on a beach. What did a London-based board game about property acquisition and development and two dogs on a beach have to do with a national change to women’s pension age? These campaigns cost millions and yet the majority of women at whom the campaigns were aimed, failed to notice them. Why? Probably because the graphics had nothing to do with the subject.

With that in mind and bringing the discussion back to the two allegations made about Rayner (which may have been simple mistakes), there’s an argument there for making the things we have to deal with - whether it's a tax return, voter registration, a benefit claim, shopping, online systems etc etc much easier to see and understand for everybody.

I've been following through this topic and wondering why it is perfectly OK for posters to say that they 'despise' someone, but the use of terms which express that despite is condemned?

It seems to me that the intent behind the words is exactly the same.

TinSoldier I am so grateful for the links you posted, I learned so much about the deputy leader of a party I support.

Definitely much could be made much easier to understand

Interesting post, TinSoldier

I always think that the literate have absolutely no idea at all of what it is like to be illiterate.

Perhaps all the people on here that dislike her should listen to her interview on Leading and then come back to us and tell us if their opinion has changed?

I don't really care, I do care about people who have been given £+++++ of our money for PPE that doesn't work, others who avoid taxes or companies like water companies who took our money and did nothing for it & now want us to cough up to actually do something.
I like Carol Vorderman who now calculates things by Angela Rayners, which is how many £1,500's there are in each person's tax evasion, and its an awful lot

LizzieDrip

Agree Grandmabatty! This is the Tories and their client media up to their old tricks. Boris Johnson attends numerous parties during lockdown … but look, Keir Starmer has a beer and a curry not during lockdown. Nadhim Zahawi ‘comes to an arrangement with HRMC’ to pay £5million in unpaid taxes and penalties … but look, Angela Raynor may / may not owe £1k in tax from 10 years ago, before she was even an MP. William Wragg sends d* pics and discloses colleagues phone numbers to a stranger online, potentially causing a security risk … but look, AR may / may not have given an incorrect address. Why were journalists questioning AR’s neighbours anyway - smacks of a Tory / media witch hunt to me. They’re trying to create the create the narrative that ‘all politicians are as bad as each other’. Well, they’re not!

Absolutely this!

This is an interesting thread. It seems the more many posters learn about Angela Raynor, the more they accept, even admire her

This is just the start. Every form of dirt being dredged up (or fabricated) by desperate Tories whose own shady dealing isn't saving them from annihilation (hopefully!)

AR has fought her way in politics despite difficult circumstances. She is on the Tory radar. Remember the crossing legs incident in Parliament and how poor Johnson was apparently distracted. Haha. Presumably the truth will be revealed but she seems confident about any profits made. The Tories are really scraping the barrel and have been since “beergate”. Their own antics are monumental in comparison.

Well said growstuff. AR is one of the few politicians that I could have confidence in. I don't care a flying f--k about this Tory slur. None of that shower have any right to attack her. She's one of the main reasons I will be voting Labour for the first time in my life.

For starters the whole shadow cabinet have joined up thinking. They have held their positions for the most part for a length of time. The Tory cabinet is forever being shuffled, usually due to various misdemeanours, it's like a pack of playing cards coming up Jokers everytime.

Hurray for Angela. One of the few people who could improve the status of YUK in all ways.

She's using the same "threat" of resignation if found guilty as her boss Starmer did over "beer-gate" in the hope that the police won't dare to cause an MP to resign.
She's always the first to demand resignations from others who are accused of wrongdoings and it will be poetic justice when she is found to have had her nose in the trough.

Don’t distort reality orly. The idea the police won’t dare to cause an MP to resign is plain daft

orly

She's using the same "threat" of resignation if found guilty as her boss Starmer did over "beer-gate" in the hope that the police won't dare to cause an MP to resign.
She's always the first to demand resignations from others who are accused of wrongdoings and it will be poetic justice when she is found to have had her nose in the trough.

Given that Boris Johnson himself demanded we wait until the police reports came out for the multiple meetings investigated its a little disingenuous to read this?

Yes sure dad and kids in one house and mum with bro in another 🤣🤣 all the neighbours said she telling porkies and so is her aid but oh no it’s the tories fault 🤣 the tories weren’t living in her house. She being hiding for weeks avoiding questions it’s not one rule for one party and another for the other. She was quick to her feet to slam Boris etc knowing fine well she was just as bad has the other side. They are as bad has each other i wouldn’t trust any of them as far has I can throw them lol

I’m not fussed about the speculation about what she did or didn’t do regarding selling houses, it’s being looked into what more is there to say?
I also think good for her for doing so well in life.
I do worry a bit tho if she is really ready for such a senior position as deputy PM as she’s only been an MP for ten years.

They are as bad has each other

Congratulations Nannashirlz! You’ve fallen straight into the gaslighting trap the Tories have set🙈

Rishi Sunak, Oliver Dowden and Keir Starmer were also all elected to parliament for the first time in 2015 Oreo, it was clearly an auspicious intake.