Does Israel want full scale war in the Middle East?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 16-Apr-24 14:26:04
Regarding the level of Gaza population - the figure quoted may be incorrect, or indeed correct.

But does it matter!?

The issue is that children are starving to death or at the least suffering from severe malnutrition, from which they may never recover.

Yes it certainly matters, so - figures of the dead doesn’t matter
because you believe some are dead ?

Wyllow3

There will never be peace until we are not just feeding starving people but people have the means to work, feed, clothe themselves and so on. The infrastructure is now so poor after bombing this is a massive proposition.

There will be plenty of work rebuilding Gaza, I’m sure all the critics of Israel will be queueing up to help poor Hamas if Israel does not drive them out.

I think the population figure has always been just over 2 million people. Forty per cent of those are children.

But just over 2 million people 40% of which are children May
be incorrect or correct

According to the UN WFP (World food program USA) nearly 350 million people around the world are experiencing the most extreme forms of hunger.

Of those 49 million are on the brink of famine.

Gaza is receiving food/water/medical aid now, it definitely needs more and quicker delivery.

I hope the other 348 million are in receipt of aid soon.

Someone mentioned 800,000 earlier and off the top of my head, that woukd be about 40% of 2,000,000.

Do we realise quite how lucky we are. As I sit here on a comfy chair, food in the cupboard, roof on the house, holidays to look forward to, trips out for lunch somewhere nice, meeting friends; it’s got it’s faults of course, but in the scheme of things we do have comparatively safe and comfortable lives and when I see what goes on in this often cruel world I thank my lucky stars.

silverlining48

Do we realise quite how lucky we are. As I sit here on a comfy chair, food in the cupboard, roof on the house, holidays to look forward to, trips out for lunch somewhere nice, meeting friends; it’s got it’s faults of course, but in the scheme of things we do have comparatively safe and comfortable lives and when I see what goes on in this often cruel world I thank my lucky stars.

Well said and my dear DH and I often ponder on this and despite going through some really awful times, we thank our blessings!

My mum always used to say “there’s always someone worse off than you”

Or even count our blessings!

GrannyGravy13

According to the UN WFP (World food program USA) nearly 350 million people around the world are experiencing the most extreme forms of hunger.

Of those 49 million are on the brink of famine.

Gaza is receiving food/water/medical aid now, it definitely needs more and quicker delivery.

I hope the other 348 million are in receipt of aid soon.

Gaza is trivial by comparison with other famines it gets far too much media attention

silverlining48

Someone mentioned 800,000 earlier and off the top of my head, that woukd be about 40% of 2,000,000.

I think the 800,000 is the population of Gaza City. Gaza has one of the highest fertility rates in the world. The official population in 2010 was 1.6 million, but it's increased since then.

Ok thanks growstuff.

Perhaps Katie re famines its not that Gaza gets too much but others not enough? The famine is part of a discussion where world-wide conflict is possible and the fate of the Palestinian peoples part of it.

GrannyGravy13

According to the UN WFP (World food program USA) nearly 350 million people around the world are experiencing the most extreme forms of hunger.

Of those 49 million are on the brink of famine.

Gaza is receiving food/water/medical aid now, it definitely needs more and quicker delivery.

I hope the other 348 million are in receipt of aid soon.

Although the world produces sufficient food for all.

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

According to the UN WFP (World food program USA) nearly 350 million people around the world are experiencing the most extreme forms of hunger.

Of those 49 million are on the brink of famine.

Gaza is receiving food/water/medical aid now, it definitely needs more and quicker delivery.

I hope the other 348 million are in receipt of aid soon.

Although the world produces sufficient food for all.

Gaza could have been completely self sufficient and produced enough food for its people. Unfortunately Israel has always limited water and fuel so limiting agricultural development and factory production. Not to mention preventing fishing and what could have been a flourishing trade/tourist coast. The people of Gaza worked miracles after the last Israeli bombing rebuilding the country in the face of huge obstacles.
The famine in Gaza has been created by Israel.

Seems as if Israel gets its way ,like with the UN resolutions and the current genocide being visited on Palestinians then they will get away with anything the want..for they read Netanyahu and his government .Pushing the boundaries as far as they are allowed to .After bombing the embassy what will their next target be? Buckle up its going to be a very bumpy ride Russia will side with Iran and anyone with nukes can find themselves a target .WW111 looks a possibility unless someone clips Israels wings

“Gaza could have been completely self sufficient and produced enough food for its people. Unfortunately Israel has always limited water and fuel so limiting agricultural development and factory production. Not to mention preventing fishing and what could have been a flourishing trade/tourist coast. The people of Gaza worked miracles after the last Israeli bombing rebuilding the country in the face of huge obstacles.
The famine in Gaza has been created by Israel.”

The famine in Gaza has been created by Hamas, instead of stockpiling weapons and building tunnels they could have developed food production and welfare. But it suited their purpose to create hardship, famine and suffering on their population, Hamas is Gaza.

Totally agree. Hamas is Gaza. Here’s a solution that only a simpleton like myself could suggest…” release the illegally seized hostages taken to provoke a war..resurrect all the Jewish children burned in ovens and decapitated…..resuscitate the women raped repeatedly until their pelvis ruptured.. maintain a ceasefire without continuing to send rockets into Israel. Then the Jews can forget about those 1300 butchered outside a declared war status quo just as they forgot about the 6 million butchered in places like Auschwitz. I have never been adversely affected nor do I personally know anyone affected by criminal or terrorist actions. Jews are not intrinsically violent. If only it were true of those who crusade to murder what they call “the infidels”

Correction to last post. Please insert “of Jewish people” at the end of the anti penultimate sentence.

Glorianny

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

According to the UN WFP (World food program USA) nearly 350 million people around the world are experiencing the most extreme forms of hunger.

Of those 49 million are on the brink of famine.

Gaza is receiving food/water/medical aid now, it definitely needs more and quicker delivery.

I hope the other 348 million are in receipt of aid soon.

Although the world produces sufficient food for all.

Gaza could have been completely self sufficient and produced enough food for its people. Unfortunately Israel has always limited water and fuel so limiting agricultural development and factory production. Not to mention preventing fishing and what could have been a flourishing trade/tourist coast. The people of Gaza worked miracles after the last Israeli bombing rebuilding the country in the face of huge obstacles.
The famine in Gaza has been created by Israel.

I was talking about the world population.

Wars, civil wars, terrorism, diversion of aid, lack of will etc. all causes of hunger and famine.

What are Israel supposed to do when hundreds of drones and missiles are fired at them?

They have a right to protect their peoples.

And what can ordinary Palestinian families do when part of their lands since 1967 has been annexed by certain Israeli governments?

This is what we fail to address post after post.

it has been documented since 1967 that as said above

"Gaza could have been completely self sufficient and produced enough food for its people. Unfortunately Israel has always limited water and fuel so limiting agricultural development and factory production. Not to mention preventing fishing and what could have been a flourishing trade/tourist coast".

*Yes, many Palestinians now support Hamas - because of what has happened -. but Hamas is not Palestine.

In posts above most people have been very very careful to say that its Israeli Government decisions not every Israeli citizen has wanted what is happening. I cannot see why we do not give Palestinian citizens the same thoughtfulness - a variety of views.

For me the big question is: how can we reach peace when the issue of annexation remains?

Wyllow3

They have a right to protect their peoples.

And what can ordinary Palestinian families do when part of their lands since 1967 has been annexed by certain Israeli governments?

This is what we fail to address post after post.

it has been documented since 1967 that as said above

"Gaza could have been completely self sufficient and produced enough food for its people. Unfortunately Israel has always limited water and fuel so limiting agricultural development and factory production. Not to mention preventing fishing and what could have been a flourishing trade/tourist coast".

*Yes, many Palestinians now support Hamas - because of what has happened -. but Hamas is not Palestine.

In posts above most people have been very very careful to say that its Israeli Government decisions not every Israeli citizen has wanted what is happening. I cannot see why we do not give Palestinian citizens the same thoughtfulness - a variety of views.

For me the big question is: how can we reach peace when the issue of annexation remains?

This.

Hamas is not Palestine - yet!.
In Gaza nobody dare speak out against Hamas they control everything including the media, Gazans elected a monster who simply murdered the opposition. They are quite content to see tens of thousands of their own civilians killed as human shields to achieve the destruction of Israel.

Wyllow3

They have a right to protect their peoples.

And what can ordinary Palestinian families do when part of their lands since 1967 has been annexed by certain Israeli governments?

This is what we fail to address post after post.

it has been documented since 1967 that as said above

"Gaza could have been completely self sufficient and produced enough food for its people. Unfortunately Israel has always limited water and fuel so limiting agricultural development and factory production. Not to mention preventing fishing and what could have been a flourishing trade/tourist coast".

*Yes, many Palestinians now support Hamas - because of what has happened -. but Hamas is not Palestine.

In posts above most people have been very very careful to say that its Israeli Government decisions not every Israeli citizen has wanted what is happening. I cannot see why we do not give Palestinian citizens the same thoughtfulness - a variety of views.

For me the big question is: how can we reach peace when the issue of annexation remains?

This!